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Rank: Member Joined: 4/27/2010 Posts: 262
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mukiha wrote:BTW; does anyone operate KSM-MSA direct flights? I don't think there are any scheduled direct KSM-MSA flights they have to be via NBO.On the other hand what happens to ATR planes ? Majority of Fly 540 fleet are propeller planes.With introduction of fuel effecient jets such as crjs & embraers,the choice of travel will surely shift to jets! Apparently there is nothing that cannot happen today!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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mukiha wrote:BTW; does anyone operate KSM-MSA direct flights? ....not any that I know of!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/11/2009 Posts: 302
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hoodrat wrote:mukiha wrote:BTW; does anyone operate KSM-MSA direct flights? I don't think there are any scheduled direct KSM-MSA flights they have to be via NBO.On the other hand what happens to ATR planes ? Majority of Fly 540 fleet are propeller planes.With introduction of fuel effecient jets such as crjs & embraers,the choice of travel will surely shift to jets! Check your facts. the ATR-42 and ATR 72 are very fuel efficient. Only issue i guess are the low mach speeds. I bet the ATR-72 is comparably more fuel efficient than the E170 although slower My take is that on the domestic front, any airline seekign to dominate must vary its fleets to include both regional fuel efficient regional jets (E 190/170, Canadair/CRJ, AVro etc) and fuel efficient "crop dusters" such as the beechcraft, de Haviland Dash and SAAB which can land in places such as Loki, Lodwar, Kitale, Bungoma e.t.c. KQ got rid of its last propeller have a decade ago in a bid to maintain an all jet fleet. However, the key issues remain safety. Fact is majority of budget carriers are bound use ancient aircraft, and knowing that domestic flights involve much more compression cycles, landing and take off cycles than long haul liners,and therefore prone to higher rates of wear. Back to the main issue, 2K for MSA-KSM is a pipe dream. Why would a sino-carrier be allow to do flights begining and termination in Kenya?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/7/2010 Posts: 2,148 Location: elderville
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Spend.thrift wrote:hoodrat wrote:mukiha wrote:BTW; does anyone operate KSM-MSA direct flights? I don't think there are any scheduled direct KSM-MSA flights they have to be via NBO.On the other hand what happens to ATR planes ? Majority of Fly 540 fleet are propeller planes.With introduction of fuel effecient jets such as crjs & embraers,the choice of travel will surely shift to jets! Check your facts. the ATR-42 and ATR 72 are very fuel efficient. Only issue i guess are the low mach speeds. I bet the ATR-72 is comparably more fuel efficient than the E170 although slower My take is that on the domestic front, any airline seekign to dominate must vary its fleets to include both regional fuel efficient regional jets (E 190/170, Canadair/CRJ, AVro etc) and fuel efficient "crop dusters" such as the beechcraft, de Haviland Dash and SAAB which can land in places such as Loki, Lodwar, Kitale, Bungoma e.t.c. KQ got rid of its last propeller have a decade ago in a bid to maintain an all jet fleet. However, the key issues remain safety. Fact is majority of budget carriers are bound use ancient aircraft, and knowing that domestic flights involve much more compression cycles, landing and take off cycles than long haul liners,and therefore prone to higher rates of wear. Back to the main issue, 2K for MSA-KSM is a pipe dream. Why would a sino-carrier be allow to do flights begining and termination in Kenya? Should the age of the aircraft really matter safety wise? My understanding is that each engine has a maximum number of cycles after which they would have to be replaced. He who can express in words the ardour of his love, has but little love to express. - Petrach, Son. (That men by various ways arrive at the same end. - Montaigne, The Essays of.)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Spend.thrift wrote:hoodrat wrote:mukiha wrote:BTW; does anyone operate KSM-MSA direct flights? I don't think there are any scheduled direct KSM-MSA flights they have to be via NBO.On the other hand what happens to ATR planes ? Majority of Fly 540 fleet are propeller planes.With introduction of fuel effecient jets such as crjs & embraers,the choice of travel will surely shift to jets! Check your facts. the ATR-42 and ATR 72 are very fuel efficient. Only issue i guess are the low mach speeds. I bet the ATR-72 is comparably more fuel efficient than the E170 although slower My take is that on the domestic front, any airline seekign to dominate must vary its fleets to include both regional fuel efficient regional jets (E 190/170, Canadair/CRJ, AVro etc) and fuel efficient "crop dusters" such as the beechcraft, de Haviland Dash and SAAB which can land in places such as Loki, Lodwar, Kitale, Bungoma e.t.c. KQ got rid of its last propeller have a decade ago in a bid to maintain an all jet fleet. However, the key issues remain safety. Fact is majority of budget carriers are bound use ancient aircraft, and knowing that domestic flights involve much more compression cycles, landing and take off cycles than long haul liners,and therefore prone to higher rates of wear. Back to the main issue, 2K for MSA-KSM is a pipe dream. Why would a sino-carrier be allow to do flights begining and termination in Kenya? KQ only sold the SAABs kedo 3yrs ago!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Elder, Apana iko maximum number of cycles, it just undergoes different stages of shop visists!!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/23/2010 Posts: 868 Location: La Islas Galápagos
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Aircraft are designed with multiple engines, but able to make emergency landing with only 1 engine (and sometimes none). Hence engines should be more of a maintenance cost issue than a safety issue. More important are the vertical and horizontal stabilizers, wings (slats & flaps), landing gear and fuselage integrity (risk of decompression) that matter more. And these of course come with age. A bad day fishing is better than a good day at work
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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McReggae wrote:mukiha wrote:BTW; does anyone operate KSM-MSA direct flights? ....not any that I know of!!! I know of coast air. Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/27/2010 Posts: 262
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[quote=Spend.thrift. Why would a sino-carrier be allow to do flights begining and termination in Kenya? [/quote] This begs the question for protectionism otherwise signalling the demise of small african airlines.Most african airlines cannot land in Europe or elsewhere due to safety concerns! Apparently there is nothing that cannot happen today!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/7/2010 Posts: 2,148 Location: elderville
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McReggae wrote:Elder,
Apana iko maximum number of cycles, it just undergoes different stages of shop visists!!!!! Thanks. Did not know about that. He who can express in words the ardour of his love, has but little love to express. - Petrach, Son. (That men by various ways arrive at the same end. - Montaigne, The Essays of.)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/7/2007 Posts: 11,935 Location: Nairobi
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In Ukraine,there so many matatu choppers...actually they are known to collide in the air just like our matatus....Have always wondered.Is it that cheap? Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/11/2009 Posts: 302
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McReggae wrote:Spend.thrift wrote:hoodrat wrote:mukiha wrote:BTW; does anyone operate KSM-MSA direct flights? I don't think there are any scheduled direct KSM-MSA flights they have to be via NBO.On the other hand what happens to ATR planes ? Majority of Fly 540 fleet are propeller planes.With introduction of fuel effecient jets such as crjs & embraers,the choice of travel will surely shift to jets! Check your facts. the ATR-42 and ATR 72 are very fuel efficient. Only issue i guess are the low mach speeds. I bet the ATR-72 is comparably more fuel efficient than the E170 although slower My take is that on the domestic front, any airline seekign to dominate must vary its fleets to include both regional fuel efficient regional jets (E 190/170, Canadair/CRJ, AVro etc) and fuel efficient "crop dusters" such as the beechcraft, de Haviland Dash and SAAB which can land in places such as Loki, Lodwar, Kitale, Bungoma e.t.c. KQ got rid of its last propeller have a decade ago in a bid to maintain an all jet fleet. However, the key issues remain safety. Fact is majority of budget carriers are bound use ancient aircraft, and knowing that domestic flights involve much more compression cycles, landing and take off cycles than long haul liners,and therefore prone to higher rates of wear. Back to the main issue, 2K for MSA-KSM is a pipe dream. Why would a sino-carrier be allow to do flights begining and termination in Kenya? KQ only sold the SAABs kedo 3yrs ago!!! Mcreggae, 3 years and half a decade are close but thanks for the correction. I recall flying on KQ's Scania, fokker F27 and Fokker 50 (there was one christened "Nam Lolwe"). I know most airliners are subjected to Checks after a defined number of hours. some like the class C check require withdarawal of aicraft from service for some time. I don't know if all the sausages we see flying around are subject to the same. But like has been said, engines are often replaced. What about metal fatigue or landing gear failures? Haven't you heard of aircrafts that just break up in the air or at touchdown- mostly due to metal fatigue-Congo, Nigeria e.t.c. How settled would you feel if the cabin of the aircraft your in rattles and vibrates so badly during the taxi stage? I have at times wished I could pull the "handbrake" and alight.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/9/2008 Posts: 5,389
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I have just checked Ryanair's (Europe's largest budget airline) website and have seen London to Frankfurt flights advertised at £9.99 I.e. Ksh. 1,400. How do they do it? Seems Nbi - Ksm at Ksh. 2k is too much. Should be 500 Bob.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Fuel costs alone cannot allow such ridiculously low costs. There has 2b a chart... TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/26/2008 Posts: 2,097
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jaggernaut wrote:I have just checked Ryanair's (Europe's largest budget airline) website and have seen London to Frankfurt flights advertised at £9.99 I.e. Ksh. 1,400. How do they do it? Seems Nbi - Ksm at Ksh. 2k is too much. Should be 500 Bob. In kenya there are fixed costs to charge in the air ticket fares. There is air passenger service charge per skull, KAA charges, Civil Aviation Authority charges, etc. Total comes to around kshs 1500 per ticket. "Never regret, if its good, its wonderful. If its bad, its experience."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Tebes wrote:jaggernaut wrote:I have just checked Ryanair's (Europe's largest budget airline) website and have seen London to Frankfurt flights advertised at £9.99 I.e. Ksh. 1,400. How do they do it? Seems Nbi - Ksm at Ksh. 2k is too much. Should be 500 Bob. In kenya there are fixed costs to charge in the air ticket fares. There is air passenger service charge per skull, KAA charges, Civil Aviation Authority charges, etc. Total comes to around kshs 1500 per ticket. This is Kenya, the could just be given some concessions for making flights cheaper in kenya!! spendthrift, they also have the expensive D-Check where the aircraft comes out as almost new!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/30/2009 Posts: 105 Location: kenya
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Airport tax for travelling within kenya is 600bob. the early worm is eaten by the early bird
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/24/2007 Posts: 1,805
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For me and my house, OXYGEN will do just fine for now. KQ will do kama iko haraka. Until these guys prove their airworthiness. I Think Therefore I Am
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 5/28/2011 Posts: 98
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he! they had better organize for a cargo plane for those of us from the lake side to carry our furniture over the holidays 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/7/2010 Posts: 2,148 Location: elderville
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bwenyenye wrote:For me and my house, OXYGEN will do just fine for now. KQ will do kama iko haraka. Until these guys prove their airworthiness. Horizon is way much better than Oxygen. Mind you have never used Oxygen but have used Horizon. He who can express in words the ardour of his love, has but little love to express. - Petrach, Son. (That men by various ways arrive at the same end. - Montaigne, The Essays of.)
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