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BRITAK IPO: The Money Maker
hisah
#361 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2011 6:48:46 AM
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
Very poor uptake esp from retail investors. I personaly had more people asking me about the Co-op IPO which came at a worse time than this when the NSE was sub 3,400!
Wonder whether it will manage full subscription at this rate!


I can see biz daily today states that this IPO is headed for full subscription. Foreigners pool too esp from SA & UK... What are they seeing to fully take up their pool? Mr Market will do wonders with this thing. CFCI suprised a lot, this too might do the same stunt...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Cde Monomotapa
#362 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2011 7:01:20 AM
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I am not interestd in this thing but if BD is honest then I will be happy if it performs well post listing if just to renew interest & rope in new suckers smile
madhaquer
#363 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2011 7:40:59 AM
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Guys, you just cant compare Britak to Jubilee.
Britak is trying to grow into something as big as Jubilee (Jubilee's gross income and regional presence is probably not attainable by Britak in the next 5 years)

What Is worrying me about this IPO is that out of about 5.8Billion raised, 1 Billion goes to pay debt and expenses for the offer, leaving around 4.8 for actual investment.
I have to wonder why they needed to have a 750million loan from cba in their books in the first place and why they are spending 150million on PR and Advertising if this is a Buy stock, the market need not have PR or Advertising.
The idea of pumping 2.5Billion into the property market sounds a little late to me. This market is already hot and I feel that they already failed in capitalizing on the lucrative opportunities.

The global markets don't seem to be doing well with the US debt issues, the Euro zone is also gloomy and Asia feeling the aftershock, That said I'm not touching this stock.

I do hope though that it turns out to be a success so that more companies are attracted to listing.
Bw Editor
#364 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2011 8:34:14 AM
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@ hisa who is telling the truth. by last week the IPO had reached 51% subscription and Kenyans being last minute buyers(including me who is buying after posting this), this thing will be over subscribed. The Business daily http://www.businessdaily.../-/vatkajz/-/index.html and theirblog http://britishamericanblogspot.wordpress.com/ are saying the offer will be oversubscribed while some are pessimistic. I sent someone yesterday to deposit money into a Dyer and Blair account and the line was so big, he refused and i have to go and do it myself today. And that was in Bank of Africa where dyer have an account. My projection is that unless the economy tanks, this share will reach 20 bob by end year
Fomoney
#365 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2011 9:10:16 AM
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For those intending to be in Britak, good luck. After all is said and done it depends on you to make money even in the most sorry of situations. Money has been made in eveready, olympia etc. Why do you think they keep trading?. Be warned though, No Assumptions! Good Luck everyone.
Sober
#366 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2011 9:29:12 AM
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the IPO is closing. any numbers from the brockers? any long queues, i wanna know please.
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Sober
#367 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2011 9:35:40 AM
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He said the company was expecting a full uptake on the pool set aside for foreign investors from South Africa and the United Kingdom.why the two countries, i thought foreign is foreign... there's something fishy here
African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
guru267
#368 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2011 10:19:58 AM
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Bw Editor wrote:
My projection is that unless the economy tanks, this share will reach 20 bob by end year


Has anyone done a fundametal analysis of this stock?? Its clearly overvalued compared to its peers on the NSE..

If its peers dont rise to its level then it will fall to their level. No lies here!
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Cde Monomotapa
#369 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2011 10:23:45 AM
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20 bob times how many issued shares? Kuwa serious guy.
miser
#370 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2011 10:31:58 AM
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The maths at the end of financial year will be the waterloo for this stock and that is when I will get in!!After all, as a policy holder with them I need to profit from the business.But this financial they will make no profits and if they do, no dividends.Period!Someone remind me, when is their financial year(bookclosure)?
selah
#371 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2011 10:38:52 AM
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If CFCI is correcting itself the way it is doing and its an introduction just wait after this share has been listed,I will be waiting for it at 3 bob.

These are my reasons.

It has issued too many shares which I think mirrors that of safaricom,This will create a glut once its listed as speculators try to get off.

I have noticed equity bank is offering 100% financing for this IPO other banks offer 80% financing...Now I dont know if its the great faith this banks have on this company,I think I will sit out on this one just Like I did on nEverReady IPO
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madhaquer
#372 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2011 10:54:14 AM
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Don't be fooled by banks offering financing.
They take your provision, strap you on monthly repayments and incase of over subscription, they have the refund.
By the time the stock is listed, you will have paid at least 1 installment, whether the stock goes down or up, they are covered by your monthly payments.

And in this credit reference era, you can't dare default.
miser
#373 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2011 10:54:34 AM
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selah wrote:

I have noticed equity bank is offering 100% financing for this IPO other banks offer 80% financing...Now I dont know if its the great faith....
Nope!This is where the faith is..the banks will make money when the not too clever investors pay the loans(I wonder with money from where?Others are waiting to sell at a profit and pay the loan if the share appreciates,jeez!(I wonder if you can pay a loan at a lumpsum without a hefty penalty for having shortened the repayment period a.k.a interest a.k.a profits for the bank!)And if the share tanks,losses galore due to the cost of the loan!And if unable to service the loan,the shares are repossessed(remember they were the collateral) at a throw-away price and you continue servicing the remainder of the loan!AND THAT IS WHERE THE FAITH IS!!
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#374 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2011 11:01:20 AM
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hisah wrote:
Sufficiently Philanga....thropic wrote:
Very poor uptake esp from retail investors. I personaly had more people asking me about the Co-op IPO which came at a worse time than this when the NSE was sub 3,400!
Wonder whether it will manage full subscription at this rate!


I can see biz daily today states that this IPO is headed for full subscription. Foreigners pool too esp from SA & UK... What are they seeing to fully take up their pool? Mr Market will do wonders with this thing. CFCI suprised a lot, this too might do the same stunt...

If the same clique are happy watching their boy,TCL aka Tranny plummet to sub 40, i wonder what will make them support a stock that should be issuing a profit warning!
@SufficientlyP
Sober
#375 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2011 11:01:54 AM
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@selah & all. 80% financing just means they are willing to wait for a 20% drop, worst case scenario. how comes they finance you that yet take your 100% portfolio as security? they always hope it will not pull a TCL.
African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
Cde Monomotapa
#376 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2011 11:06:03 AM
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Word is it's being extended??
selah
#377 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2011 11:18:21 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Word is it's being extended??


Today is definitely Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly a big Day
'......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
madhaquer
#378 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2011 11:32:45 AM
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I doubt that that will happen. It would be a huge calamity.
I'm sure the investment advisers have a plan to undertake any unsought shares.
Sober
#379 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2011 11:47:20 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Word is it's being extended??


extending on the D-day of closing wilt be catastrophic. it will imply that the full subscription being talked about has not been archived, this will trigger massive panic among those who have already submitted their funds.
African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
Sober
#380 Posted : Friday, August 05, 2011 12:15:22 PM
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5 hours to Go! no extension.
African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
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