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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/26/2008 Posts: 2,097
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/27/2008 Posts: 3,760
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Who are those young lasses in white tunics in the pictures? Vestal virgins?? http://www.roman-colosse...-gods/vestal-virgins.htm
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/23/2010 Posts: 2,221 Location: Sundowner,Amboseli
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All the reason why the mainstream churches shall stand the test of time! @SufficientlyP
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/20/2008 Posts: 367
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He should build a beach house next. The pastor would not be where he is today of his flock was not faithful.
Pastor Double Double promotion na uvuke border in style.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/16/2010 Posts: 906 Location: Nairobi
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I wonder what gods like Buddha, Allah and Haile Selassie think about all this? 
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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selah wrote:gogeta wrote:mmunguti wrote:what happened to the days when the church would build the Pastor's house next to the church and the building belonged to the church??? eee those days are gone...but you know what you cannot judge anyone, God is the only one who has that right. What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you.” 1 cor 5:12-13 Thank you @ Selah many many Christians confuse the issue of Judging, and for a long time the church has not corrected those who are going and leading others astray.... Right Judgment: The point of reference is the word of God. Wrong Judgment: The point of refference is the individual i.e self righteousness..e.g the pharisees All preaching is based on a form of Judging... how then can anyone preach repentance from sin if you do not point out that men are sinners ? If we fail to point out error because we are afraid to Judge, we are actually in error!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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and another thing... 1 Timothy 6 These are the things you are to teach and insist on. 3 If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 4 they are conceited and understand nothing. They have an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 5 and constant friction between people of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain.
6 But godliness with contentment is great gain. 7 For we brought nothing into the world, a nd we can take nothing out of it. 8 But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. 9 Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. 10 For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Tafakari hayo 
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/17/2008 Posts: 478 Location: Old Trafford
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Enyewe watu walipanda begu!!! I was a member... Until we were asked to plant a seed towards Allans' birthday present- a Prado VX. That time he already had a merc. I found that to be some sort of extortion. Nilihama hio church.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/11/2010 Posts: 1,588
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Mtu Biz, ninatafakari.
To the adulterous woman who was caught, she was told '...go and sin no more.'
Sin is the transgression of the law.
So that woman was told '...go and transgress the law no more.'
What is the law?
Mordern day saved christians do not want to hear anything about the law.
For they are saved and all the good things ought to belong to them now.
Double double. Its their right.
Not having good things means still being under the law.
So they pick out all the verses supporting their claims,
and is all you ever hear, over and over and over and over....
Bring out the light and the darkness will scatter!
Bree, good for you.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/16/2007 Posts: 1,320
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@YesuWangu and the verses they pick that supposedly support their claims are quoted grossly out of context... christians stop outsourcing your spiritual growth... stop the DVD's and books and speaker so and so and man of God so and so ..... KNOW GOD .. he is knowable... From you straight to him.... no brokers. Consider this..... Mathew 23 5 “Everything they do i s done for people to see: They make their phylacteries[a] wide and the tassels on their garments long; 6 they love the place of honor at banquets and the most important seats in the synagogues; 7 they love to be greeted with respect in the marketplaces and to be called ‘Rabbi’ by others. 8 “But you are not to be called ‘Rabbi,’ for you have one Teacher, and you are all brothers. 9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven. 10 Nor are you to be called instructors, for you have one Instructor, the Messiah. 11 The greatest among you will be your servant. 12 For those who exalt themselves will be humbled, and those who humble themselves will be exalted. So stop buying DVDs and books from all manner of gurus.... And stop calling your pastor... sijui PAPA PAPS ..our Daddy etc !!!!! THE BIBLE IS SUFFICIENT
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/23/2009 Posts: 526
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/13/2009 Posts: 1,950 Location: in kenya
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@Mtu Biz in their defence, the same bible gives them some leeway in exploiting the same gospel to satisfy their material needs. Quote:3 This is my defense to those who sit in judgment on me. 4 Don’t we have the right to food and drink? 5 Don’t we have the right to take a believing wife along with us, as do the other apostles and the Lord’s brothers and Cephas[a]? 6 Or is it only I and Barnabas who lack the right to not work for a living?
7 Who serves as a soldier at his own expense? Who plants a vineyard and does not eat its grapes? Who tends a flock and does not drink the milk? 8 Do I say this merely on human authority? Doesn’t the Law say the same thing? 9 For it is written in the Law of Moses: “Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain.”[b] Is it about oxen that God is concerned? 10 Surely he says this for us, doesn’t he? Yes, this was written for us, because whoever plows and threshes should be able to do so in the hope of sharing in the harvest. 11 If we have sown spiritual seed among you, is it too much if we reap a material harvest from you? 12 If others have this right of support from you, shouldn’t we have it all the more? 1Cor 9:3-12 '......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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pikshas ziko wapi??? ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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McReggae wrote:pikshas ziko wapi??? am also waiting.... its an anti-climax to finish the whole thread only to realise you cant relate the stories to what's being referred to.... wekeni link jameni...
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Rank: Member Joined: 7/7/2008 Posts: 124
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Twangoja kuziona baraka(the palatial house) na sisi wafuasi watoao sadaka twalala jaa kwa mitaro(hovels)! Mungu asifiwe?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/13/2009 Posts: 1,950 Location: in kenya
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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@ selah, I don't think the part you quoted justifies opulence. It is only fair that the church supports the servants who work in the church.They should not be begging but should be salaried.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/7/2010 Posts: 2,148 Location: elderville
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This?  Or this?  He who can express in words the ardour of his love, has but little love to express. - Petrach, Son. (That men by various ways arrive at the same end. - Montaigne, The Essays of.)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,554
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Selah, the process for posting a picture is very very complicated, i think you are "copy pasting", it wont work, you need to hire a consultant to post a pic on wazua. Meru Holiness
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