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Supposing you were the police commish....
simonkabz
#1 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:09:28 AM
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....They are back! Bold like never b4, this time not even attempting to hide their sorry act. Riding in a mat fm Muranga to the city, the driver has given out bribes 8 times, na bado hatujafika. They are now sticking the lil crampled notes on the door handle. In Juja, there were as many as 10 traffic cops.....a while back, when Iteere took the helm, these toll stations had been abolished . What happened? I gather the move was very unpopular, n the blue men were "DEMORALISED" hehehe......I would ban them 4good.
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Sober
#2 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2011 8:40:23 AM
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i will not do anything differently...it's a system
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simonkabz
#3 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2011 9:59:54 AM
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@sober, was thinking along the same lines. A failed system bedeviled by a chronic condition. Bt these roadblocks had been abolished by Iteere. With or without them, matatus will still overload. Do away with them, they are so embarassing, n they serve a purpose Im yet to establish!
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seppuku
#4 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:51:07 AM
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I don't suppose there's any willingness at the top to root out this menace. And it's not too hard to understand why. These guys (the police top brass) are the direct products of the system. They don't understand any other language. The police force has many things wrong with it. I think a huge part of that has to do with the quality of recruits we've been getting in there. If I was the Commissioner of Police (soon to be Inspector-General), I would lobby for better educated recruits. It's a pity that we are reviewing their salaries upwards without significantly raising the bar for their qualifications. I think an educated and professional police force is easier to motivate and to drive away from petty corruption. Grand corruption might call for other solutions. If the police are professional and do their job as they should, matatus will not break the law and doing things the right way will become cheaper than doing them the wrong way. Still, it has to be acknowledge that such a change would not take a few years, but ultimately it would pay off. Much sooner if it's effected in the leadership first.
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Sober
#5 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:55:09 AM
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we always think a lot from the outside. if one is to make an impression, then you have to be at the helm long enough (5 years at least) and start influencing the things from kiganjo. with that you can follow up with a shakeup at the top with people like minded.
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#6 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2011 11:18:00 AM
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Tommy
#7 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2011 11:38:50 AM
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This is a system, and to change it is not easy, When ali was the commissioner,word had it that the then CID boss(I think Kamau) was even more powerful and had more access to the president than his boss Major gen. Ali. If Itere is not able to stop the corrupt cops its because its a chain. This cops don't collect money for themselves, they are just agents of their seniors and thus make me equate them to Mungiki.
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Tommy
#8 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2011 11:48:27 AM
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seppuku wrote:
I don't suppose there's any willingness at the top to root out this menace. And it's not too hard to understand why. These guys (the police top brass) are the direct products of the system. They don't understand any other language. The police force has many things wrong with it. I think a huge part of that has to do with the quality of recruits we've been getting in there. If I was the Commissioner of Police (soon to be Inspector-General), I would lobby for better educated recruits. It's a pity that we are reviewing their salaries upwards without significantly raising the bar for their qualifications. I think an educated and professional police force is easier to motivate and to drive away from petty corruption. Grand corruption might call for other solutions. If the police are professional and do their job as they should, matatus will not break the law and doing things the right way will become cheaper than doing them the wrong way. Still, it has to be acknowledge that such a change would not take a few years, but ultimately it would pay off. Much sooner if it's effected in the leadership first.

@seppuku i beg to differ,I don't think that we should blame the faults in the police force to the quality of recruits/education. I have witnessed recruits who join the force to be innocent and morally upright people. They are changed by the rotten majority already in the force and the poor administration of the force. I think @seppuku you will bear me witness that people are more afraid of fresh recruits since they don't know that corrupt language since they are more likely to follow the law.
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josiah33
#9 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2011 11:53:48 AM
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It wouldn't be an easy job for me as a police commissioner if i were to become one:getting rid of the idea that it's fashionable to get 50 bob from all matatus plying a route or it's the in-thing to squeeze a few shillings from innocent kenyans going about their business in the name of 'msako' or whatever and all in the name of 'ingenious' ways of supplementing meagre incomes by police officers, is no simple task. God knows what other issues i'll have to resolve to make the force respectable and running smoothly. Well! i'd surely raise the meagre wages of police officers so they don't fall for petty corruption but i wouldn't just give the better salary to some dumb guy who doesn't know what a police officer is supposed to do, i'd give it to a real policeman and someone proffesional.
bwenyenye
#10 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:08:49 PM
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The Police problem can be sorted only from without the force. e.g making the government collection of fines on the spot and easily to any bank and introducing cameras on the roads. The next thing is to remove the porosecutorial powers from the hands of the police.We then need to up fines/ penalties so high that even the lose cops hike their bribe demands and lastly, we need to educate the masses on their rights and responsibilities.

For example, for those who drive in the city's roundabouts, you may have noticed that PSVs especially buses overlap and use the wrong lanes while they can clearly see the cop. Why, coz they know the guy will do jerk. However, where the cops take action, PSVs will never attempt to do that. There needs to be set up a system that enables other motorists curb that even if it is by calling some line for action( which can be corroborated by the cameras anyway) and action must be taken and seen to be taken.

I know for a fact that there are very good cops out there who have every intention to deliver, but they need help from us and we have failed them alot. I also think that traffice police should stop trying to overide traffice lights. That is a job for computers. they should instead ensure evryone follows the traffice law ( Esp the 'big idiots who believe traffic should be disrupted coz they are late or have place to go...ABK)
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KenSaf
#11 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:33:10 PM
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If I was the commissioner of police I will do the following to deal with corruption:
1. Lobby for good working and leaving conditions for police officers
2. Starting salary for the junior most officer be at least 50K ( not 15K as it is now)
3. After doing the above, stern action for the corrupt officers.
4. Better educated recruits, properly trained and regular refreshed courses.
5. Public enlightenment.
6. Form a disciplinary committee with members from human rights, law society of Kenya etc

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Tommy
#12 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2011 2:37:13 PM
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bwenyenye wrote:
The Police problem can be sorted only from without the force. e.g making the government collection of fines on the spot and easily to any bank and introducing cameras on the roads. The next thing is to remove the porosecutorial powers from the hands of the police.We then need to up fines/ penalties so high that even the lose cops hike their bribe demands and lastly, we need to educate the masses on their rights and responsibilities.

For example, for those who drive in the city's roundabouts, you may have noticed that PSVs especially buses overlap and use the wrong lanes while they can clearly see the cop. Why, coz they know the guy will do jerk. However, where the cops take action, PSVs will never attempt to do that. There needs to be set up a system that enables other motorists curb that even if it is by calling some line for action( which can be corroborated by the cameras anyway) and action must be taken and seen to be taken.

I know for a fact that there are very good cops out there who have every intention to deliver, but they need help from us and we have failed them alot. I also think that traffice police should stop trying to overide traffice lights. That is a job for computers. they should instead ensure evryone follows the traffice law ( Esp the 'big idiots who believe traffic should be disrupted coz they are late or have place to go...ABK)

@Bwenyenye,the cameras and prompt fines will do a good job in deterring the matatu drivers who stop to pick passengers anywhere and get back to the road oblivious of the on coming vehicles. These are some of the annoying habits on the roads.
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seppuku
#13 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2011 5:51:51 PM
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Tommy wrote:
seppuku wrote:
I don't suppose there's any willingness at the top to root out this menace. And it's not too hard to understand why. These guys (the police top brass) are the direct products of the system. They don't understand any other language. The police force has many things wrong with it. I think a huge part of that has to do with the quality of recruits we've been getting in there. If I was the Commissioner of Police (soon to be Inspector-General), I would lobby for better educated recruits. It's a pity that we are reviewing their salaries upwards without significantly raising the bar for their qualifications. I think an educated and professional police force is easier to motivate and to drive away from petty corruption. Grand corruption might call for other solutions. If the police are professional and do their job as they should, matatus will not break the law and doing things the right way will become cheaper than doing them the wrong way. Still, it has to be acknowledge that such a change would not take a few years, but ultimately it would pay off. Much sooner if it's effected in the leadership first.

@seppuku i beg to differ,I don't think that we should blame the faults in the police force to the quality of recruits/education. I have witnessed recruits who join the force to be innocent and morally upright people. They are changed by the rotten majority already in the force and the poor administration of the force. I think @seppuku you will bear me witness that people are more afraid of fresh recruits since they don't know that corrupt language since they are more likely to follow the law.


But @Tommy, who is this huge majority? A big bunch of old, ignorant and bigoted fellows that have such inferiority complex and low esteem that they will not hesitate to flex what they believe to be their "muscles" at every opportunity. Have you ever been to a police station to report a case? In most cases, you will be shocked by the level of insolence and unprofessionalism you will witness there. I think we need to slowly replace these sort of fellows with a better educated police service (not force, by the way). And like @KenSaf here has suggested, pay them a good salary but expect high standards from them.
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, August 03, 2011 8:34:08 AM
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simonkabz
#15 Posted : Wednesday, August 03, 2011 10:14:22 AM
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The rot comprehensively covered in THE STANDARD. Impunity at its height. 23 "toll stations" btwn Nbi n Ksm! My goodness!
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kimiri
#16 Posted : Wednesday, August 03, 2011 11:36:25 AM
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I at times agree with T-bug (prison break) that policemen are sometimes more crooked than crooks. And until we the citizens get the power to police our police men and women, there does not seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel. Remember how immediately after 2002 NARC win passengers had started arresting corrupt traffic cops? The government made a huge mistake of not building on this to root out the vise. Perhaps the powers that be felt threatened that the wananchi would go after them soon after they were done with the police.
majay
#17 Posted : Wednesday, August 03, 2011 11:56:06 AM
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We should not blame these traffic officers.I do understand that they share these kick backs with their bosses at the end of the day
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Mkimwa
#18 Posted : Wednesday, August 03, 2011 2:25:15 PM
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Bribery is bad!

The annoying habit of overlapping is cropping up too fast. Immediately there is a traffic jam, matatus and private cars start overlapping, in some cases even going to the wrong side of a dual carriageway, with lights flashing. This needs to stop, i wish i was a policeman to make those cars reverse all the way. Or just stop them for 3 hours while the ones on the right road pass.
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