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BRITAK IPO: The Money Maker
selah
#341 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 11:06:50 AM
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FUNKY wrote:
@ Selah- link please.


I said news just in ....wait until a media hse publish it in their site I will hook you up.
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lovely2010
#342 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 11:12:39 AM
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guru267 wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
QW25071985 wrote:
Iborian wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
My broker just called trying to convince me to buy Britac.....i could not read her tone correctly.....was she trying to make money out of the buy transaction or was it out of the love for me that she wants me to buy and make money..???d'oh!


Neno moja. RUN!


what did he/she tell you. Obviously he didnt lay out the figures for you did he ????. Whynt head to your broker and let him explain WITH FACTS AND FIGURES why you shld buy.I like somebody who can present a good solid case why i shld buy. Not lines like " there's huge demand" or "supply is really thin" or "so and kso is buying"...



Clearly, she is more keen on the 2% commission......


since when is commission charged for IPOs???


When selling of course. Soon you'll be desperate wanting to sell to avoid the bear eating you up!
lovely2010
#343 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 11:15:17 AM
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the deal wrote:
But folks are buying...i was at my broker today n I saw several of those forms filled up


I followed your first advice. Not to buy coz you had facts...Now you have fiction...
the deal
#344 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 6:03:00 PM
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Leading the losers board today was Pan Africa Insurance (PAI), the stock declined by 6% or Sh2 to close at Sh30.20, the stock has lost almost 23% in July. Following PAI on the losers board today was Kenya Re, the stock declined by 5.2% to close at Sh8.05. 2011 will be a tough year for Kenyan Insurance stocks, since most of them derive their income from the NSE, in one of our research reports we carried here at Contrarian Investing Kenya, it was shown that apart from CIC Insurance almost all Insurance Companies we surveyed made underwriting losses thus leaving the bourse as their only source of income. I expect the high inflation which stood at 15% in June to slow insurance uptake and also negate any return from debt instruments whose return is around 9%

Read more here http://www.contrarianinv...-slightly-stronger.html
Sober
#345 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 8:05:18 PM
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@the deal.
Why have you avoided adding jubilee insurance in your collected samples...am sure it is more weighty in representation of the insurance kuliko the two examples you just chose.
African parents don't know how to say sorry.. the closest you will get to a sorry is a 'have you eaten'
erifloss
#346 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 9:30:33 PM
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I think that even with the anticipated fall in profits, people are going to make money from this IPO. Remember CFC Insurance Holdings & its listing? The analysis done on the share showed it as overpriced & it's almost double its introductory price as of now. The one share that everyone never trusted from the word go was TCL & it was all because of the type of investments made & some of the investors. Thus i still think their is some cash to be made here.
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guru267
#347 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 10:36:11 PM
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Sober wrote:
@the deal.
Why have you avoided adding jubilee insurance in your collected samples...am sure it is more weighty in representation of the insurance kuliko the two examples you just chose.


Its simply because he cannot find any problem with the share/company.. Both in projected earnings for 2011 and share price performance relative to the NSE20 and the NASI..
Mark 12:29
Deuteronomy 4:16
Aguytrying
#348 Posted : Saturday, July 30, 2011 10:53:12 AM
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@cynic. What price do you hope to sell at?
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Aguytrying
#349 Posted : Saturday, July 30, 2011 11:00:34 AM
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@everyone. Now that britak's earning this financial year are projected by themselves to drop by 62%. Are they required to announce a profit warning? Does the fact they are newly to be listed make them escape this? Or does the prospectus serve as the warning? Coz this is a major profit drop! Major! And it will be worse than they have predicted because equity and hfck Share prices have fallen significantly since. So are they obligated to announce a profit warning?
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
jerry
#350 Posted : Saturday, July 30, 2011 2:37:34 PM
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the deal wrote:
Leading the losers board today was Pan Africa Insurance (PAI), the stock declined by 6% or Sh2 to close at Sh30.20, the stock has lost almost 23% in July. Following PAI on the losers board today was Kenya Re, the stock declined by 5.2% to close at Sh8.05. 2011 will be a tough year for Kenyan Insurance stocks, since most of them derive their income from the NSE, in one of our research reports we carried here at Contrarian Investing Kenya, it was shown that apart from CIC Insurance almost all Insurance Companies we surveyed made underwriting losses thus leaving the bourse as their only source of income. I expect the high inflation which stood at 15% in June to slow insurance uptake and also negate any return from debt instruments whose return is around 9%

Read more here http://www.contrarianinv...-slightly-stronger.html

@the deal. NSE is also not doing well.
The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
sparkly
#351 Posted : Sunday, July 31, 2011 9:35:42 AM
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erifloss wrote:
I think that even with the anticipated fall in profits, people are going to make money from this IPO. Remember CFC Insurance Holdings & its listing? The analysis done on the share showed it as overpriced & it's almost double its introductory price as of now. The one share that everyone never trusted from the word go was TCL & it was all because of the type of investments made & some of the investors. Thus i still think their is some cash to be made here.

@ef all the best... These days i don't throw money at companies without a proven track record. The odds are stacked against you.
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hisah
#352 Posted : Sunday, July 31, 2011 10:31:06 AM
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The way this IPO has been trashed (I being in this camp) gives me a sneaky gut feeling that Mr Market will 100% defy all logic and rally this IPO?! Mr Market is a weird character and when you push the extremes he always tends to do the opposite... And based on the excess negativity & even brokers calling clients to participate, dont be shocked when you see a 100 - 300% rally??!
If the NSE will be on rebound in Aug, this thing will rally. If the US & Eurozone will have pulled off a houdini act in Aug & their debt crisis appears 'resolved', global markets will rally. So if this IPO finds a rebounding NSE & a global debt relief momentum expect it to have a huge sentiment rally and not fundamentally supported. At 50% gains I'd start exiting.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Aguytrying
#353 Posted : Sunday, July 31, 2011 10:58:12 AM
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I received a SIB newsletter. FY 2010 net profit was 2.87 billion. FY 2011 projected profit is 29 million.

What more can i say.

But you know what its an IPO, Mr market cant resist it even if he wanted. tranny traded at 60.00 at one point. Sentiment most likely will create a rally, and the folly of mr market.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
mwekez@ji
#354 Posted : Sunday, July 31, 2011 10:44:58 PM
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hisah wrote:
The way this IPO has been trashed (I being in this camp) gives me a sneaky gut feeling that Mr Market will 100% defy all logic and rally this IPO?! Mr Market is a weird character and when you push the extremes he always tends to do the opposite... And based on the excess negativity & even brokers calling clients to participate, dont be shocked when you see a 100 - 300% rally??!
If the NSE will be on rebound in Aug, this thing will rally. If the US & Eurozone will have pulled off a houdini act in Aug & their debt crisis appears 'resolved', global markets will rally. So if this IPO finds a rebounding NSE & a global debt relief momentum expect it to have a huge sentiment rally and not fundamentally supported. At 50% gains I'd start exiting.


And what would be your stop loss level coz this could turn out either way
hisah
#355 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2011 12:12:17 AM
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mwekez@ji wrote:
hisah wrote:
The way this IPO has been trashed (I being in this camp) gives me a sneaky gut feeling that Mr Market will 100% defy all logic and rally this IPO?! Mr Market is a weird character and when you push the extremes he always tends to do the opposite... And based on the excess negativity & even brokers calling clients to participate, dont be shocked when you see a 100 - 300% rally??!
If the NSE will be on rebound in Aug, this thing will rally. If the US & Eurozone will have pulled off a houdini act in Aug & their debt crisis appears 'resolved', global markets will rally. So if this IPO finds a rebounding NSE & a global debt relief momentum expect it to have a huge sentiment rally and not fundamentally supported. At 50% gains I'd start exiting.


And what would be your stop loss level coz this could turn out either way

I'd take a 10% draw down. But what if it closes 20% down? At that point your close rapport with your broker will be required to get you out with a quick sell...
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
Bw Editor
#356 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2011 8:26:22 AM
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True, Hs. But like i said, there maybe naysayers but the britak ipo remains a good buy especially on the long run. all those issues of nse, US debt swap and others will pass. and for people not being able to buy insurance coz of inflation, the IMF has projected that inflation will go down as soon as rains come and food is available. With the current uncertainties in Europe and the US, dont expect fuel price to go high, thus inflation will go down further. insurance uptake will gradually rise bringing more business to the company and thus more earning, higher share price, dividends etc.
the deal
#357 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2011 9:05:37 AM
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@BW Britak needs some work...you need to diversify the company...so far your holdings are only in the financial sector...how about you reduce your stake in Equity Bank and buy some KenolKobil...TPS...KPLC? You also need to look at some private companies...just pour the money we will do the research for you

Another question Why should I buy the Britak IPO? If its your holdings in Equity or Housing Finance I can buy directly from the market rather than buying through someone.
mwekez@ji
#358 Posted : Tuesday, August 02, 2011 9:02:37 AM
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Bw Editor wrote:

True, Hs. But like i said, there maybe naysayers but the britak ipo remains a good buy especially on the long run. all those issues of nse, US debt swap and others will pass. and for people not being able to buy insurance coz of inflation, the IMF has projected that inflation will go down as soon as rains come and food is available. With the current uncertainties in Europe and the US, dont expect fuel price to go high, thus inflation will go down further. insurance uptake will gradually rise bringing more business to the company and thus more earning, higher share price, dividends etc.


Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you

It has been said and said and said, over and over and over again, that Britak is not a long term buy and good reasons have been given. What new info do you have to offer to justify otherwise
youcan'tstopusnow
#359 Posted : Thursday, August 04, 2011 9:48:45 PM
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So, 19 hours to go. Will we be seeing long lines outside brokers' offices tomorrow?
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Sufficiently Philanga....thropic
#360 Posted : Thursday, August 04, 2011 9:58:37 PM
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Very poor uptake esp from retail investors. I personaly had more people asking me about the Co-op IPO which came at a worse time than this when the NSE was sub 3,400!
Wonder whether it will manage full subscription at this rate!
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