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Nyong'o insists on safe abortion
mozenrat
#11 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 2:32:03 PM
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kiterunner wrote:
how about we leave the choice to the women who are really affected with unwanted pregnancies? IMHO its better to abort safely than end up with a generation of unwanted kids roaming the streets. we ll have to get better arguments to wish this away than its 'unafrican'



I find the argument that we leave the choice to the women really backward. What about those fathers who would never dream of murdering their (and it is THEIR) unborn child. Don't they have any rights? We claim that the unborn child is not a life but that is limited by the technology we have today. What if Science detected brain or "soul" function in a 3 week baby, would we have the right to kill this kid. This is nonsense propagated by the American society racked with the guilt of having treated their womenfolk as subhumans for centuries and are now over-compensating by giving them free reign. The fact that it is murder is not negated by referring to it as a "service" or blaming the opposition on the church (which I don't even belong to).
Ms Mkenya
#12 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 5:24:45 PM
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Abortion, as long as it means the willful loss of life, will never be 'safe'. I will not deny that i am a pro-lifer, i am a strong one.

But moral issues aside, who will protect the mother from anguish later? I know a lady who turned alcoholic after an abortion. The 'baby' used to 'cry' near her all the time. She learnt how to dull the cry with some alcohol... soon enough that's all she was responding to, lost her job, her famil, the works. Lucky for her she went into rehab and survived.

Take time and visit centers that deal with such women, and this is not only in Kenya.. there are horrendous stories all over the world.

Prof should concentrate on the cancer foundation.. he is doing ok there.

I personally do not think we can say 'safe' and 'abortion' in the same sentence.
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githundi
#13 Posted : Friday, July 29, 2011 11:26:50 PM
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kiterunner wrote:
githundi wrote:
kiterunner wrote:
how about we leave the choice to the women who are really affected with unwanted pregnancies? IMHO its better to abort safely than end up with a generation of unwanted kids roaming the streets. we ll have to get better arguments to wish this away than its 'unafrican'

what if you were aborted



thats a very hypothetical question, if i were aborted i wouldnt be here and the world would go on, what makes you think if you were aborted the world would stop? Get over it, we have so many kids born into misery that can be prevented. Let the ladies make the choice and if they want to get the service, it should be provided in a safe way

if your mother gave you a chance to live, don't deny it to others: live and let others live.
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masukuma
#14 Posted : Saturday, July 30, 2011 5:45:03 AM
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While homosexuality is unafrican, Abortion is inhuman! if you don't think so - I suggest that we should then kill all people who are problematic to us. KILL all street children (its better to have them dead than have them roaming the streets), behead all MPs (they are an ache to Kenyan). Let's go with guns to the border of Kenya and Somalia - lets spare ourselves all the trouble brought by these unwanted people - troublesome, eyesores, they don't pay tax, they aid in the proliferation of small arms that may one day be used to rob you of your car and worse still be used to kill you or your loved one! lets kill Bomboclat and other annoying noobs to wazuans because they spoil our online community.
If you think these measures are extreme - that they maybe annoying, eye sores, painful heartaches and criminals but they are HUMANS LIKE US. why do you want to kill someone with the potential to be anyone and is where they are for no fault of their own!
He/She could be anyone, the first Nobel price winner in physics from Kenya or he next Steve Jobs or Bill Gates? Why do we wish to deny others the right that we fiercely defend for ourselves because they are nothing more than an 'inconvenience' to us?
All human beings should be given the right to enjoy life from the WOMB to the TOMB!
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groupielove
#15 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2011 12:02:43 PM
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masukuma wrote:
While homosexuality is unafrican, Abortion is inhuman! if you don't think so - I suggest that we should then kill all people who are problematic to us. KILL all street children (its better to have them dead than have them roaming the streets), behead all MPs (they are an ache to Kenyan). Let's go with guns to the border of Kenya and Somalia - lets spare ourselves all the trouble brought by these unwanted people - troublesome, eyesores, they don't pay tax, they aid in the proliferation of small arms that may one day be used to rob you of your car and worse still be used to kill you or your loved one! lets kill Bomboclat and other annoying noobs to wazuans because they spoil our online community.
If you think these measures are extreme - that they maybe annoying, eye sores, painful heartaches and criminals but they are HUMANS LIKE US. why do you want to kill someone with the potential to be anyone and is where they are for no fault of their own!
He/She could be anyone, the first Nobel price winner in physics from Kenya or he next Steve Jobs or Bill Gates? Why do we wish to deny others the right that we fiercely defend for ourselves because they are nothing more than an 'inconvenience' to us?
All human beings should be given the right to enjoy life from the WOMB to the TOMB!


Can't agree more
bwenyenye
#16 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2011 12:52:17 PM
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Please stop this nonsense of a 'safe' abortion. There is nothing like that! No ONE has a right to determine who should or should not live. What we need to set up are systems of adoption and proper upkeep of those ( both parents) who find themselves in difficult situations . But the ultimate solution to this is SELF CONTROL. Easier prescribed than done; but very doable. If the Kid 'ponyokas' then Let them live.
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gogeta
#17 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2011 1:26:10 PM
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Abortion which is murder is against the law of God.. Churches are there to guide us as far as the law of God is concerned that's why it condemns abortion. Abortion is wrong is immoral is SELFISH...@Masukuma put it so well.
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Elder
#18 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2011 1:31:31 PM
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kiterunner wrote:
githundi wrote:
kiterunner wrote:
how about we leave the choice to the women who are really affected with unwanted pregnancies? IMHO its better to abort safely than end up with a generation of unwanted kids roaming the streets. we ll have to get better arguments to wish this away than its 'unafrican'

what if you were aborted



thats a very hypothetical question, if i were aborted i wouldnt be here and the world would go on, what makes you think if you were aborted the world would stop? Get over it, we have so many kids born into misery that can be prevented. Let the ladies make the choice and if they want to get the service, it should be provided in a safe way

Prevented by abortion? I hope am reading you wrong.
He who can express in words the ardour of his love, has but little love to express. - Petrach, Son. (That men by various ways arrive at the same end. - Montaigne, The Essays of.)
YesuWangu
#19 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2011 2:23:33 PM
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Legislating for or against morality is will be an endless debate. No one will win it, for it is subjective.
Um Sayala
#20 Posted : Monday, August 01, 2011 4:01:01 PM
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I think we should be addresing the real cause and not the Symptoms. What causes pple to abort?. i guess its unwanted PGs. can we, and the CHURCH address that?, and once a mistake is done (rape, sex b4 marriage, immorality etc) do we have alternatives to undo the mistake, must i carry a featus from rape to term?.

But another iportant question we should ask is DOES ABORTION HAPPEN TODAY, whether we make it safe or not?. And we all know the answer. Most people who go thro' unsafe abortion have high chances of regret and anguish than those who do it safely. the fact is IT HAPPENS EVERYDAY.
Phew!!!!! one was just aborted b4 I completed posting this one.

If the church( and pro life) is to guide us not to abort, let them first guide us not to engage in sexual escapedes, and tell the rapists to stop their biashara.CAN of WORMS
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