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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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In fact I have been dumping Equity in favour of KK...i want a fat dividend cheaque...plus i'm up almost 25% so KK is my wife n mpango wa kando at the same time
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,223 Location: Nairobi
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the deal wrote:KK is my wife n mpango wa kando at the same time Best sort of relationship! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/27/2008 Posts: 3,760
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@young, please don't get me wrong. KK is the best investment on the NSE today and I fully intend to come back. I've just taken the gamble on the anticipated downturn and locked in my profits (51%). And yes, CFC MM is annual interest, the alternative would have been leaving the cash in my broker account.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2007 Posts: 2,048 Location: Lagos, Nigeria
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Gordon Gekko wrote:@young, please don't get me wrong. KK is the best investment on the NSE today and I fully intend to come back. I've just taken the gamble on the anticipated downturn and locked in my profits (51%). And yes, CFC MM is annual interest, the alternative would have been leaving the cash in my broker account. Hakuna Matata. End of Discussion on this subject matter. Regards to all The wazua spirit as members is to educate and inform and learn from others within the limit of what we know in any chosen area irrespective of our differences in tribes, nationalities, etc. .
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/30/2010 Posts: 1,635
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Rank: Chief Joined: 3/24/2010 Posts: 6,779 Location: Black Africa
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What? Government may not have been paid for selling refinery stake... http://www.businessdaily...2/-/rgw490z/-/index.htmlGOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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[quote=youcan'tstopusnow]What? Government may not have been paid for selling refinery stake... http://www.businessdaily.../-/rgw490z/-/index.html[/quote] I've tried to access this site on mobile, but getting to a funny biz daily mobile page. When did biz daily launch this site? And did they do any testing on how older or new PC format articles would get reformatted on redirection to the mobile site. Arghhh... The mobile site is as dull as ever. Biz daily put up an opinion poll on this mobile site and I'm sure you wont like the users response... $15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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hisah wrote:[quote=youcan'tstopusnow]What? Government may not have been paid for selling refinery stake... http://www.businessdaily.../-/rgw490z/-/index.html[/quote] I've tried to access this site on mobile, but getting to a funny biz daily mobile page. When did biz daily launch this site? And did they do any testing on how older or new PC format articles would get reformatted on redirection to the mobile site. Arghhh... The mobile site is as dull as ever. Biz daily put up an opinion poll on this mobile site and I'm sure you wont like the users response... same experience with Nation online paper, nkt!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/27/2008 Posts: 3,760
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hisah wrote:[quote=youcan'tstopusnow]What? Government may not have been paid for selling refinery stake... http://www.businessdaily.../-/rgw490z/-/index.html[/quote] I've tried to access this site on mobile, but getting to a funny biz daily mobile page. When did biz daily launch this site? And did they do any testing on how older or new PC format articles would get reformatted on redirection to the mobile site. Arghhh... The mobile site is as dull as ever. Biz daily put up an opinion poll on this mobile site and I'm sure you wont like the users response... Ditto, the nation.co.ke seems to be defaulting to the mobile.nation.co.ke when accessed from amobile device. Will the smart alec at NMG who did this please revert to normal as I prefer getting the actual site as opposed to the mobile one. The mobile one is not updated as quickly and frequently as the origino one.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,223 Location: Nairobi
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I think Kenya's entire Oil Sector should be handed over to KK to manage! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 10/25/2010 Posts: 519 Location: nairobi
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Dont I love this...Supply over 1million, demand 200,000...I've changed my targets not 9.50 but 8.50 and below...
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,223 Location: Nairobi
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lovely2010 wrote:Dont I love this...Supply over 1million, demand 200,000...I've changed my targets not 9.50 but 8.50 and below... Even though I have KK shares, part of me would not mind a drop to 8.50 coz (even 9.50) coz I would pile in as much possible! It's like buying shares in 2002 when prices were rock bottom & firms were trading at absurdly low PERs! Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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VituVingiSana wrote:lovely2010 wrote:Dont I love this...Supply over 1million, demand 200,000...I've changed my targets not 9.50 but 8.50 and below... Even though I have KK shares, part of me would not mind a drop to 8.50 coz (even 9.50) coz I would pile in as much possible! It's like buying shares in 2002 when prices were rock bottom & firms were trading at absurdly low PERs! My wishes too... holding my buy orders till ex-div
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/5/2010 Posts: 335 Location: Nairobi
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Genghis Khan wrote:Got some avg. under 11.00. If i can net 20% in under 4weeks will be happy (enough to sell half the lot @13.50).
Will always buy if under 12 & I can get cash.
It a win/win: If it goes back to 10 i'm happy, if it goes to 15 i'm happy.
Got my fat Cables dividend cheque late (monday)... I had always planned to buy more cables at the lower price... Instead, I promptly split it 3ways... EQB/KCB/KK Regional... "I'd rather be lucky than clever... every time!" - ME "The problem is not what we don't know... it's what we know for sure that just ain't!" - MARK TWAIN "Space we can recover... time never!" - NAPOLEON BONAPARTE
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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VituVingiSana wrote: It's like buying shares in 2002 when prices were rock bottom & firms were trading at absurdly low PERs!
This is sooooo true.. I started trading a while ago but its been long since stocks offered so much value.. For example KK.. 1. Forward PER= 4.5 2. NAV= approx. 1 3. Forward Dividend yield= 9.6% 4. Price/sales ratio= 0.12 By using discounted future value analyis This is disgustingly cheap for any stock let alone a gem like kenol.. Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/4/2010 Posts: 8,977
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guru267 wrote:VituVingiSana wrote: It's like buying shares in 2002 when prices were rock bottom & firms were trading at absurdly low PERs!
This is sooooo true.. I started trading a while ago but its been long since stocks offered so much value.. For example KK.. 1. Forward PER= 4.5 2. NAV= approx. 1 3. Forward Dividend yield= 9.6% 4. Price/sales ratio= 0.12 By using discounted future value analyis This is disgustingly cheap for any stock let alone a gem like kenol.. Unfortunately the investors mood aka sentiment has taken over the mind And for this reason that's why I'm calling for cheaper prices in months to come. Anyway a fat tail price disconnect esp for bluechips presents the best buying opportunity.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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It occured to me today that the NSE values KK & SCAN similarly @15B* market cap. Surely...??
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/14/2011 Posts: 639
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hisah wrote:guru267 wrote:VituVingiSana wrote: It's like buying shares in 2002 when prices were rock bottom & firms were trading at absurdly low PERs!
This is sooooo true.. I started trading a while ago but its been long since stocks offered so much value.. For example KK.. 1. Forward PER= 4.5 2. NAV= approx. 1 3. Forward Dividend yield= 9.6% 4. Price/sales ratio= 0.12 By using discounted future value analyis This is disgustingly cheap for any stock let alone a gem like kenol.. Unfortunately the investors mood aka sentiment has taken over the mind And for this reason that's why I'm calling for cheaper prices in months to come. Anyway a fat tail price disconnect esp for bluechips presents the best buying opportunity.
>>I tak it you mean price-NAV ratio of 1
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/27/2008 Posts: 3,760
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I have reviewed my outlook of KK (based on my very pedestrian thinking). In segment reporting, the revenue is divided thus: Kenya Inland - 33.8M (31%) Kenya other – 49.4M (46%) EAC – 14.6M (14%) Other subs – 10.5 (10%) Total – 108M
I stand corrected, but am assuming Kenya inland are the retail outlets, while Kenya other is aviation, lubes etc.
I am convinced that the Kenya inland that accounts for 31% of revenue is either breaking even or making a loss on the basis of price controls and the discounts they give on Tuesdays, Fridays and Sundays. I will give the benefit of doubt and assume they are breaking even, therefore the earnings are just maintaining costs. On the basis of this argument, I will discount the eps of 1.21 (2010) by 31% for a revised eps of ksh 0.84.
If the market valued the performance of eps ksh 1.21 at ksh 12, it follows that the same market would have valued an eps of 0.84 at ksh 8.28.
It is agreed that the spectacular H1 results lifted the market valuation only by the value of the dividend, it then follows that ex div will be ksh 8.28. I am therefore revising my target price for repurchase of the stock at 8.30 from ksh 9.80.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,223 Location: Nairobi
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@GG - I will not comment on the share price BUT the EPS will be much higher than your full-year EPS of 0.84 [I will venture 2x] Ver unlikely that 2H will be better than 1H but 1H had unique factors... Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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