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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/19/2008 Posts: 4,268
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@drunkard,
You say you visit kenya every 6 months? Any notable difference with improvements in the country since 2002? With the economy? with government departments services? In freedom of speech?
Ask yourself, have you heard these diaspora people unite and say, Wait a minute, there are problems at home, how can we help? or they just sit up there and just bash and blame without anything tangible to help their countries? Have you heard them say, here, we are sending back home this amount of money, in unity with the common mwananchi to help feed our people even though the government has failed us on this one! How many? except bashing and bashing like that will help us feed our poor... like a kid who was educated by its poor parents and starts bashing and insulting their poor state back in shags from his muthaiga/runda home! NKT!
@Drunkard, why dont you organise your likes back in the US and UK or wherever and make a mini harambee and boost our kitty to feed the dying kenyans? that would be more helpful....
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/28/2007 Posts: 45
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Kenya has many features that constitute a failed state. Our final verdict depends on our expectations as a group of people. If we like mediocrity, we find absolutely nothing wrong with our state of affairs. We will continue burying our heads in the sand and say we are better than Somalia, chad and Zambia. If we expect better, we will raise concerns and demand better governance. the best way to define Kenya is a 'Banana republic'. That sums our problems and lack of insight of the citizenry. We can't move on if we have selective blindness to our failures and rush to blame other countries for our woes. Probably exposure to other systems and cultures help; be it Turkana, nyamira, Europe or Asia and not the confines of Nairobi metropolitan and Thika road.
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/5/2010 Posts: 335 Location: Nairobi
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http://www.businessdailyafrica....0/-/lb1u9az/-/index.html$14,300B? And we think we are indebted... Every American owes $50,000. Poor people! "I'd rather be lucky than clever... every time!" - ME
"The problem is not what we don't know... it's what we know for sure that just ain't!" - MARK TWAIN
"Space we can recover... time never!" - NAPOLEON BONAPARTE
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Rank: User Joined: 5/3/2011 Posts: 559
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Wendz wrote:@drunkard,
You say you visit kenya every 6 months? Any notable difference with improvements in the country since 2002? With the economy? with government departments services? In freedom of speech?
Ask yourself, have you heard these diaspora people unite and say, Wait a minute, there are problems at home, how can we help? or they just sit up there and just bash and blame without anything tangible to help their countries? Have you heard them say, here, we are sending back home this amount of money, in unity with the common mwananchi to help feed our people even though the government has failed us on this one! How many? except bashing and bashing like that will help us feed our poor... like a kid who was educated by its poor parents and starts bashing and insulting their poor state back in shags from his muthaiga/runda home! NKT!
@Drunkard, why dont you organise your likes back in the US and UK or wherever and make a mini harambee and boost our kitty to feed the dying kenyans? that would be more helpful.... Kenyans in Diaspora injected a total of Kshs 152 billion in 2010 to kenyan economy, if Kenya was a save bet to invest Kenyans around the world would be enough to sustain a fast world economy; The problem is Kenyans in Kenya are the one who supports and protects the same ruling and political class who have made it impossible to attract even Kenyans to invest We bury our heads too much, I saw someone threw in healthcare in America to try to justify why Kenya is not a fail state, that is incredible, we need to change our attitude and stop finding excuses for our problem, our problems squarely sit on us and the ruling class. Untill we can see that, nothing will change.
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Rank: User Joined: 5/3/2011 Posts: 559
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Very interesting article... the're always those people even in Kenya, those people who would tell you they live in westlands when they actually live in Kibera, the one who would claim to be sr accountant when they're accounts clerk, ship these people to a develop country and see what will happen!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2007 Posts: 8,776 Location: Cameroon
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Kaa huko na usirudi. We love our failed state, n we r doing just fine mr. whiner. TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/12/2008 Posts: 1,178
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I agree with Drunkard. Kenya is a failed state. My curiosity is on How he finds FAILURE soo captivating, he Has to visit the failed state Twice a Year. I trust you fly American Airline all the way to JKIA.. I dare not forget how in your last Visit you ranted about Kenyan men/ladies stopping some kind of nonsense... Nkt!
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Rank: Hello Joined: 7/29/2011 Posts: 1
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The term "failed state" is hardly objective. What does it mean exactly? In the end, it means that the person using it has a low opinion of the state in question. Some on this thread have called the United States a failed state, too, and there's as much objective evidence to say that as to say it about Kenya. If you are a citizen of a country, it's your decision and not some foreigners as to whether the government is a failure, and what it needs to do to correct the matter. There are problems everywhere.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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The Genesis of this whole matter is that I was forwarded the article by an american colleague of mine. he has never been here but from what he knows (i.e. the mix of negative and positive media coverage) 'Kenya is not in the league of failed states', if the likes of Liberia, North Korea, military ruled Myanmar are graded as better than Kenya. Kenya's status as 'a failed state' is dependent on who is marking the exam! Remember NGOs who submit this info need to earn a living - Omutata's kids need to go to school. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/27/2011 Posts: 1,777
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I don't know about failed states but kenya surely is a rotten state: two weeks or indefinate time to do a search at the lands ministry, 'facilitation fees' to get a title(and hoping it's not a 2nd or 3rd title to the same property), unofficial fee of sh.1000+ to get a birth certificate,sh.7000+ to have power connected to your house in time for new applicants,indefinate visits to government offices if u have lost your ID(and quite some money spent on bus fare) and God knows what else a kenyan has to put up with. Soon we will be bribing bank employees to change the bank u want your salary remitted to, as giving clearance as required by your employer has become a big issue(i experienced that at the largest bank in terms of assets and network in kenya). Who knows, in the future u might be required to give the teller a small tip to make a withdrawal. Where are we heading too?
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