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FUNKY
#21 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:27:32 PM
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Yes they should have declared and interim dividend of atleast 50cts and the lion would have ROARED. Now i see a price dip to around 22 levels.
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Insurgent
#22 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:40:14 PM
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EPS in 2010 for the group was 2.58
EPS in 2011 for the group is 2.75

The KCB EPS for the second half year is usually very tiny. So, KCB EPS is not likely to go above 3 shillings for the full year end.


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#23 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:46:56 PM
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Difference between Equity and KCB narrowing.

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#24 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2011 2:49:45 PM
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staff cost jumped by a whooping 1Billion and some very interesting figures when you look at balances and deposits due to and from banking institution a broad(reminds me of the speculative attack on the shilling)
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#25 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:02:27 PM
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selah wrote:
staff cost jumped by a whooping 1Billion and some very interesting figures when you look at balances and deposits due to and from banking institution a broad(reminds me of the speculative attack on the shilling)


Could these be the severance pay for the staff who left a few months ago? Could these have affected the PAT? Just thinking.
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meme
#26 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:16:59 PM
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hey...I am new here..like very new...could someone lpease tell me what PAT and PBT mean??
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#27 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:19:07 PM
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Profit before tax/profit after tax.
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#28 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:20:50 PM
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Bad debts at KCB down from Sh1b to Sh840m
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#29 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:39:42 PM
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Kenyainvestor-I find that somewhat counter-intuitive given the times Kenyans are living in.
Banks are rarely ahead of the curve on bad debts. On bad debts, I expect the opposite to be true when it releases its audited figures next March
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Impunity
#30 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2011 3:58:40 PM
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@meme,PBT and PAT means Nktesticals.
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You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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young
#31 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:04:36 PM
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For speculators Equity is it.
For long term KCB as it will outperform Equity due to cost saving measures that will reflect in late 2012/2013
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the deal
#32 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:08:18 PM
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Sluggish numbers from KCB
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FUNKY
#33 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:21:34 PM
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@ Young - How can you say that KCB will outperform Equity due to cost saving measures because like KCB even Equity restructured it top management and retired several senior staff voluntarily.
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Gordon Gekko
#34 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:38:15 PM
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kenyainvestor wrote:
All board members contributed 10,000 to feed Kenyans who face the threat of hunger


1. cents or shillings?
2. Each or all put together?

I hope my sarcasm and disgust at the results is noted.
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young
#35 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:40:01 PM
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FUNKY wrote:
@ Young - How can you say that KCB will outperform Equity due to cost saving measures because like KCB even Equity restructured it top management and retired several senior staff voluntarily.


KCB has far bigger balance sheet than Equity.
There more costs to cut in the oversized KCB and MOO is looking in that direction. Factor in the new funds injected by last years rights issue.
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kenyainvestor
#36 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:55:25 PM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
kenyainvestor wrote:
All board members contributed 10,000 to feed Kenyans who face the threat of hunger


1. cents or shillings?
2. Each or all put together?

I hope my sarcasm and disgust at the results is noted.


Noted!smile
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kenyainvestor
#37 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2011 4:58:53 PM
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Forex Income up only 8%. More was expected from all the volatility

Gekko, how much rise in PAT/PBT did you expect?
KCB is much closer to Equity now than it was at Q1.

But a cost:income ratio of 50% (as management wants) seems so far away

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#38 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2011 5:00:54 PM
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Mainat wrote:
Kenyainvestor-I find that somewhat counter-intuitive given the times Kenyans are living in.
Banks are rarely ahead of the curve on bad debts. On bad debts, I expect the opposite to be true when it releases its audited figures next March


James Mwangi of Equity say that he will not be raising interest rates and thus does not expect the level of defaults to go up
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#39 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2011 5:11:10 PM
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@kenyainvestor / other experts

Let me ask again, why does NSE reckon with PBT rather than PAT.? It is the only market I invest in that believes so much in PBT.
I think PAT is the key as it dictates the EPS.

Any thoughts or just the kenyan way ?
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kenyainvestor
#40 Posted : Thursday, July 28, 2011 5:18:58 PM
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young wrote:
@kenyainvestor / other experts

Let me ask again, why does NSE reckon with PBT rather than PAT.? It is the only market I invest in that believes so much in PBT.
I think PAT is the key as it dictates the EPS.

Any thoughts or just the kenyan way ?


Does KCB and Equity get taxed at the same rate?

In 2005, the Kenya Government agreed to reduce the level of taxation to 20% for a period of 5 years for any company that chose to list. This was done to encourage listing at the NSE. Equity listed in 2006.

Thus until next year, we cannot compare these two on Profit After Tax
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