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Obama: visit Kenya? No!
Magigi
#1 Posted : Sunday, May 17, 2009 6:14:00 AM
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In his maiden trip to Africa as President,President Barrack Hussein Obama,the world's most loved president,will not be stopping-over in Kenya. Instead all the glory will go to the Ghanians,who have made great strides in democracy and governance issues. Kenya,when compared to Ghana,looks like a toddler still peeing and shitting on himself. Kibaki and Raila are still running around in diapers. What a shame! This is a very strong signal that all is not well in Kenya and that it is the time WE acted. People Power Revolution as it hapened in the Phillipines would be an option. This was a series of nonviolent and prayerful mass street demonstrations in the Philippines that occurred in 1986.
Magigi
#2 Posted : Sunday, May 17, 2009 6:17:00 AM
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...we can force Obama to visit Kenya by doing what we do best,kunyoa reli - yes we can!!!.
Gordon Gekko
#3 Posted : Sunday, May 17, 2009 8:38:00 AM
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Uganda also discovered oil........
VituVingiSana
#4 Posted : Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:42:00 AM
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Ghana's 'new' president & parliament withdrew the obscene allowances that john kufuor & his fellow crooks wanted whereas baaks & his MPigs want more & more.

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Obi 1 Kanobi
#5 Posted : Sunday, May 17, 2009 3:21:00 PM
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The Obama administration do not want to get involved in kenya at this point,we have a very shakey political situation and until we fix it they will not engage us at the presidential level.




I guess if you can't win with facts,you can always pen bile-laced,xenophobic rants to distract everyone.
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dg
#6 Posted : Sunday, May 17, 2009 4:03:00 PM
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our leaders need to grow up. obama will not waste his time believe me. would be a shame seeing such a beautiful country going down the dumps. kibaki and raila please grow up. you are not children anymore.
Magigi
#7 Posted : Sunday, May 17, 2009 6:19:00 PM
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@Petro: ...well,Obama has many interests in Kenya and only a fool would insist on being lectured/reminded on what those interests are. I guess you are not in this category. He has been to Kenya before,not once. Why didn’t he choose to go to Ghana and not come to Kenya when he wasn't the US president? He can still 'stop over' Sydney in Australia even when he is heading to Ghana !!! This is what Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines stop-over dude,in case you want to spruce up your English Language skills:
1. An interruption in the course of a journey for stopping or visiting at a certain place
2. A place visited briefly in the course of a journey.
Besides Kenya is of such great strategic interest to the US. Nearly every American farts when he/she hears the mention of Osama Bin Laden. Al Qaeda cells are every where in East Africa. Why wouldn’t the US then not be of strategic interest to the US? Yes,all the reasons to visit Kenya are all there. But he won’t. Why? Because of 2 stupid leaders who are holding this country at ransom!!!

Tusker Baridi
#8 Posted : Sunday, May 17, 2009 10:34:00 PM
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Obama likely to take stern stand on KenyaUpdated 2 hr(s) 6 min(s) ago By Juma KwayeraA new report to be discussed in the coming weeks by the US Congress profiles rigging in Kenyan politics as endemic. It says the malpractice reached alarming proportions in the 2007 elections when President Kibaki was controversially declared winner with the backing — initially — of Washington.The report by Congressional Research Service,a US government agency,was released on Thursday and going by tradition,when Congress discusses it,it will most likely form the basis for President Barack Obama’s country-specific policy on Kenya.Titled Kenya: Current Conditions and the Challenges Ahead,it was published in the same week US Assistant Secretary of State Johnnie Carson was in the country to deliver his government’s stern warning to Nairobi to speed up constitutional,police and judicial reforms or risk being shunted by Washington.Reached for comment on how the report will define Washington’s relations with Nairobi,US ambassador to Kenya Michael Ranneberger said it would have a bearing on his government’s policy. 'They (such reports) are used by Congress but is hard to tell how influential they are,' the envoy said.Similar findings on Ethiopia’s disputed 2005 General Election chaos in which more than 800 people were killed by soldiers resulted in Congress enacting the Ethiopia Democracy and Accountability Act,2007,compeling Prime Minister Meles Zenawi to improve his government’s appalling human rights record,democracy,governance and rule of law.The Obama administration has indicated it will implement this law in full and as a consequence the Ethiopian leader has hinted that he might not run in the polls scheduled for next year. Sources,who sat through the meetings Carson had with President Kibaki and Prime Minister Raila Odinga,confirmed to The Standard on Sunday the report has bearings on Washington’s relations with Kenya. The sentiments are also echoed in the terse letter,whose thrust was speedy and full implementation of Agenda Four of National Dialogue and Reconciliation Talks,Carson delivered to the two principals. In the letter,the US President warned: 'We are increasingly concerned by the lack of movement on key issues: The constitutional review process is moving slowly at best,the special tribunal has not yet been set up,decisive steps against corruption have yet to be undertaken,and reform of the police and Judiciary has not yet been carried out.' The findings,although not new,emphasise political and economic reforms as the axis of US relations with Kenya. Valuable ally'Kenya has been a valuable US ally since independence,providing the US with access to its military facilities and political support to the UN. Washington once considered Kenya a model developing country with shared democratic values in a continent where civil wars raged and military and authoritarian governments reigned,' it says.In what amounts to self-recrimination,the report describes the role of the US in the current political mess in Kenya.'The initial US government reaction to the December elections was considered by some international observers as contradictory and seen by some Kenyans as being one-sided in favour of President Kibaki. On December 30,2007,the US government reportedly congratulated President Kibaki. Senior Bush administration officials visited Kenya in an effort to resolve the crisis and provided support to Kofi Annan’s mediation efforts.'It is on record that US-based International Republican Institute (IRI) was prevailed upon by Washington not to release exit poll results,which showed Raila led Kibaki by 65 per cent. The Nation,an authoritative US newspaper in a story headlined Meddling in Kenya’s Elections accused the US embassy in Nairobi and IRI,a Congressionally-mandated organisation funded mainly by Usaid,the State Department and the National Endowment for Democracy,of abetting the crisis and electoral irregularities.Quoting the IRI official,Mr Ken Flottman,the paper reported,'At times,according to Flottman,US Ambassador Michael Ranneberger appeared to him to be actively trying to help Kibaki’s chances. In one case,he says,when a horse-race poll done by the country’s top commercial pollster showed Odinga pulling ahead,Ranneberger ‘was keen to release our poll,which showed Kibaki was more popular’.'This is captured in the CRS findings thus: 'Several months before the December elections,a number of polls indicted that the incumbent president trailed behind opposition candidate Raila Odinga. Many observers,including key President Mwai Kibaki advisors,acknowledged that President Kibaki and his party would lose in December.'The research found that the poll outcome was premeditated and therefore violence was inevitable. 'According to current and former Kenyan government officials,even before the Electoral Commission announced the results,the spouses of senior government officials were preparing for the swearing-in ceremony…The swearing in was said to be so rushed the organisers forgot to include the national anthem in the programme.'The US’s role and apparent reluctance of the Coalition Government to gel and move the reforms agenda forward,it emerged during Carson’s meetings,are a major headache to the new administration in Washington.'If Kenya does not solve its own corruption problem,then Kenya will never grow. It will never be able to provide for its own. And so there’s nothing wrong with the developed nations insisting that we will increase our commitments,that we will design our aid programmes more effectively,that we will open up our markets to trade from poor countries,but that we will also insist that there is good governance and rule of law,and other critical factors in order to make these countries work,' Obama’s letter to the two principals said.The letter is a condensed version of CRS report,which is a series of events preceding the 2007 polls and its aftermath.'Kenyan civil society and human rights advocates argue that it is a mistake to simply describe the current violence as a tribal conflict,since the trigger and the reason behind the violence for many Kenyans is the rigged elections and what they fear is a return to dictatorship. 'Opposition leaders and their supporters strongly believe that the election was stolen from them,and they consider reversing the current trend in Kenya as necessary in order to ensure that the gains made in democracy over the past decade would not be lost,' it says.Message to principalsDuring their two-day visit,Carson and Ms Michelle D Gavin,a special assistant to the President and Senior Director for African Affairs at the White House,demanded from the Prime Minister and President a timetable for implementation of Agenda Four.In a final communiquÈ released after meeting with the two principals,Carson told Raila: 'This cannot be the democracy you fought for when people are being killed by the State. It cannot be what you went to detention for. All the things you fought for are being thrown into jeopardy by State operatives who order execution of citizens.'And to Kibaki,Gavin relayed this message: 'We shall do whatever we can to help Kenya. But President Obama asked me to relay his message to the Government that he is keen to see reforms in Kenya and that Washington will not do business as usual with Kenya.'
kizee
#9 Posted : Monday, May 18, 2009 5:41:00 AM
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maybe not such a bad thing...means we avoid the traffice that his 500+ motorcade would cause..imagine the chaos and jams?...in any case of what direct benefit to the odinary mwananchi is such a visit?
Mr.Tea
#10 Posted : Monday, May 18, 2009 6:09:00 AM
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I would imagine that the decision to by-pass Kenya must have been informed by a number of factors and not just the issue of governance. I can not pretend to know policies in the office of Mrs Hillary Rodham Clinton but I'm sure they must be diverse and dynamic. Having said that,I do not anticipate that Obama will solve any of our myriad problems by visiting,enganging or otherwise.Our challenges remain ours and so will be the solutions.

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