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Business ideas for a retrenched man, capital 700,000 Kshs.
RVP
#21 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2011 10:54:37 AM
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at his age and with that amount of cash, he has to tread cautiously. if he has to go into business, should do something that requires no more than 100,000 to start.
mapozi
#22 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2011 2:59:06 PM
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@Savant, will definitely suggest that to him also
@RVP, thanx I think that is in line with what Savant suggests.
@ all from all the replies I can as well conclude that:
1. he should not start a business that is so capital intensive
2. he should use a lumpsum out of his retirement package to invest in an annuity fund so that he is guaranteed at least of a small income for the rest of his life even if business fails.
3. He should hire someone to manage his business and keep his book of accounts.

Thank you very much. I think this is a good place to start.
GM
#23 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2011 4:07:44 PM
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@ Mapozi

I visited some place yesterday and saw a wonderful thing and perhaps i could suggest that your uncle tries it out, as part of his plans. i did interview the guys running the set-up and the following is true:


Buy 5 60-egg incubators @ approx 20K = Ksh100k

Eggs (Kienyeji-New breed) 300eggs @ 35=Ksh10,500

Electricity = Ksh7,500

Feeds = Ksh3,400

vaccines = Ksh1,500

Total = ksh122,900

Assuming a hatchability rate of 40/60 eggs, he will have 200 chicks which, if he looks after for just a month could dispose at Ksh300 each, giving him a turnover of Ksh60,000/-

He will just need to do 2 runs ( Ksh120,000 ) therefore to recoup in excess of his initial capital outlay of Ksh100,000

The successive periods of hatching will mean a profit injection into his life, except for the running costs.

Every run as above generates Ksh60,000 turnover, running costs are approx. Ksh23,000, then Ksh37,000 is going to be his approx net income per month (approx.)infinitely. This i guess is going to be more than his employment income, in addition to the fact that he could invest the rest of the monies elsewhere.

GM
mapozi
#24 Posted : Thursday, July 07, 2011 5:36:33 PM
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Thanx GM
Gordon Gekko
#25 Posted : Saturday, July 09, 2011 4:00:50 PM
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Chicken business very good but requires passion and zeal. I have a friend in it and he tells me there are nights when he sleeps with the day olds to literally teach them how to eat. He has to grab each of them, push their beaks into the food and ensure they get the hang of how to eat. Then he has to watch over and separate the strong ones from the weak ones because if he doesn't, the weaklings don't get a chance to get to the food moat and die - remember these things eat all day, so when a tough guy parks infront of the food he camps there. Then there is this one time a certain disease wiped out everything. But the cash is good. He needs several chicken houses so that he has different age groups to ensure a constant income. It is HARD work, he also needs a little pickup (datsun 1200 like) for bringing in the feed, chicks and for supplying the local schools, markets etc. Transport can wipe out profits.
KenyanLyrics
#26 Posted : Sunday, July 10, 2011 10:08:59 PM
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@mapozi my opinion is that a poor 51 year old is in no position to be taking risks with his golden handshake. Advise him to invest in safe investments.
Kaka M
#27 Posted : Monday, July 11, 2011 1:54:33 PM
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jasonhill wrote:
Genghis Khan wrote:
According to my rough and conservative calculations 700k can get him a pension of about 6k per month from any insurance co.

If he decides not to have fun with part of his benefits he can get 10k pm from about 1.17m...

I think YOU should advise him to have fun with the life pension rather than the principal... or no fun at all!

And then look for opportunities to supplement his income...

What was his working income & lifestyle?
Can he survive on 10k?
Wife? Kids? Other dependants?
Does he own a home? Farm land?
Any assets? Shares, livestock, sacco, etc.


Hello Genghis,

If I understand you correctly, what you are saying is that I could take 21M KES and put it in a pension, and get a return of 180,000 KES every month until I die?

Or in other words, I could take $250,000USD, retire in my 30s in Kenya, and live pretty much like I do in the US until I die while never having to work again?

If so, I would like you to kindly recommend an insurance company to us, and thank you for that information.

Best,

Hill


@ JasonHill I suggest that before you commit your money consult widely and remember to read the small print before you sign any documents.
If I was to think about it myself I would ask questions like, if I lived for another 60 or even more years would I still continue enjoying the monthly payment? Do they revise the figure periodically to cover for inflation etc. (If u have certain saving plans with insurances I believe they use the inflation figures to revise the premiums and they also charge a percentage as management fees so I would expect them to pay for inflation if I am the one to receive money.) There r many angles to look at it from.



Genghis Khan
#28 Posted : Monday, July 11, 2011 2:34:57 PM
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jasonhill wrote:
Genghis Khan wrote:
According to my rough and conservative calculations 700k can get him a pension of about 6k per month from any insurance co.

If he decides not to have fun with part of his benefits he can get 10k pm from about 1.17m...

I think YOU should advise him to have fun with the life pension rather than the principal... or no fun at all!

And then look for opportunities to supplement his income...

What was his working income & lifestyle?
Can he survive on 10k?
Wife? Kids? Other dependants?
Does he own a home? Farm land?
Any assets? Shares, livestock, sacco, etc.


Hello Genghis,

If I understand you correctly, what you are saying is that I could take 21M KES and put it in a pension, and get a return of 180,000 KES every month until I die?

Or in other words, I could take $250,000USD, retire in my 30s in Kenya, and live pretty much like I do in the US until I die while never having to work again?

If so, I would like you to kindly recommend an insurance company to us, and thank you for that information.

Best,

Hill

@Hill
No. The pension depends on both the principal amount and your prospective life expectancy.

eg if you are 60, your life expectancy may be 20 yrs.
If you are 35, your life expectancy may be 40yrs.

A 35year old person will get half the pension a 60 year old will get for the same cost (savings).

These are just my rough calcs. If you need a proper quote just email any insurance company with a Life Division and they will readily give you a quote... (be prepared for the sales agent who will "follow up" relentlessly). Sometimes they may ask you to get a medical checkup. In Kenya you can try Madison / Jubilee .
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jasonhill
#29 Posted : Tuesday, July 12, 2011 9:49:39 AM
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Genghis Khan and Kaka M, thank you very much for the information.

So do you prefer a pension, or Government bonds? I'm not halfway to retirement, so I don't think that a pension will give me what I want at the moment, and with inflation, I'm not sure it would once I get older.

Best,

Hill
Genghis Khan
#30 Posted : Thursday, July 21, 2011 10:11:02 AM
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jasonhill wrote:
Genghis Khan and Kaka M, thank you very much for the information.

So do you prefer a pension, or Government bonds? I'm not halfway to retirement, so I don't think that a pension will give me what I want at the moment, and with inflation, I'm not sure it would once I get older.

Best,

Hill

I'm not sure how it works in US but in Kenya your employer will contribute at least half your pension. Employee contributes about 5% of gross pay and employer contributes 5-10%... very good if you ask me.

Pension funds are usually gorged with bonds so i don't think it's worth it to buy bonds for the long term... maybe if you have a big pile of cash and you are a very good trader.
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Cde Monomotapa
#31 Posted : Thursday, July 21, 2011 11:05:20 AM
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There is surely an underlying lesson to be learned here.
Tycoon!
#32 Posted : Saturday, July 23, 2011 10:16:24 PM
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Farming is the cheapest and he can start enjoying returns in 6-9 months. He will need a quarter of an acre somewhere out of town, with water and a green house. The investment for the greenhouse is 150-250k.
The beauty is demand for food never ends, and once a farm starts producing it doesnt stop unless disease catches up. That is why he can go to KARI for tips on taking care of his crops. There is demand for everything even strawberries.

Cde Monomotapa
#33 Posted : Sunday, July 24, 2011 5:47:42 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
There is surely an underlying lesson to be learned here.

Genghis Khan
#34 Posted : Monday, July 25, 2011 4:31:08 PM
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Tycoon! wrote:
Farming is the cheapest and he can start enjoying returns in 6-9 months. He will need a quarter of an acre somewhere out of town, with water and a green house. The investment for the greenhouse is 150-250k.
The beauty is demand for food never ends, and once a farm starts producing it doesnt stop unless disease catches up. That is why he can go to KARI for tips on taking care of his crops. There is demand for everything even strawberries.


Correct!
"I'd rather be lucky than clever... every time!" - ME
"The problem is not what we don't know... it's what we know for sure that just ain't!" - MARK TWAIN
"Space we can recover... time never!" - NAPOLEON BONAPARTE
AlphDoti
#35 Posted : Thursday, September 06, 2012 3:51:37 PM
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KenyanLyrics wrote:
@mapozi my opinion is that a poor 51 year old is in no position to be taking risks with his golden handshake. Advise him to invest in safe investments.

My uncle told me once that retirement handsake money is your last "salary", must be careful with it.
sonko2
#36 Posted : Sunday, September 09, 2012 2:13:29 AM
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Buy a plot in juja farm and eventually you are going to sell it and make a profit.For more details email:danielluke75@yahoo.com
King G
#37 Posted : Tuesday, September 11, 2012 8:55:48 PM
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KenyanLyrics wrote:
@mapozi my opinion is that a poor 51 year old is in no position to be taking risks with his golden handshake. Advise him to invest in safe investments.



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S.Mutaga III
#38 Posted : Wednesday, September 12, 2012 8:44:58 AM
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700k for a retiree is not a lot of money.However,he is lucky enough to get it.Does he have any other sources of income?This is because the advice you give to this man heavily depends on whether he has another source of regular income.You cannot advice a person without another source of income to buy land or any longterm investment that does not give cashflow.Assuming worst case scenario where the man has no other source of income,I would advice him to leave the city and find cheap land in the village,and rear 3 fresian cows which will give him at least 30ltrs a day...selling the milk at sh40 per litre,he gets 1200 daily,for the rest of the cows lives...
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