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Kibaki and Muthaura humiliated!!!
jitetee
#51 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 3:10:00 PM
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@nanfor - You are so on the money. I too do not see what the excitement is all about.

This is just the continuation of a mega political circus. I can bet you that if and when someone else is appointed to the position,the ineffectiveness of KACC will disappear from the headlines until the expiry of the new Director's term. And this vicious cycle can go on for a very very very long time....

I do not like Ringera and think he is a failure but bottomline,the problem is institutional: something that Bunge has the power to change. Of course you can forget believing that can ever happen as long as the biggest corruption suspects in Kenya are all mheshimiwas.

Anyone still wonder why Kenya willl still be singing about being at par with South Korea in the 60's even 100 years from now? Actually at that time the comparison might be with Rwanda.

Time and chance happen to all.
B.Timer
#52 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 3:35:00 PM
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@Wote,Mpenzi & Brewer,
Who is wasting whose time? He he he.

Out of raw anger,Parliament did what they didnt have any locus standii to do.
As such their effort and time is not good for...much.
What they did,amount s to a mere opinion of the house.
It is not good enough to get Ringera out of the job.
If they really want Ringera gone,their recourse lies in starving KACC of funds,eventually collapsing it - a defeatist move if you ask me.
Otherwise in law they have no power to get him out - in the sense of sacking.
Citing standing orders 5to justify this,is laughable to say the least.
Standing orders are REGULATIONS OF THE HOUSE.
They only apply to MPs and their conduct in relation to the house business.

Alternatively though,MPs could repeal the law upon which KACC is anchored,and disband it as a result.
Until they do this,Ringera may choose to continue showing them the middle finger!

I say all the above,not because Ringera is a darling of mine. Far from it.
I hold the opinion that in so far as corruption is concerned,Ringera is part of the problem.
I am also aware that even if he did his job perfectly well,and Wako stopped the flow of the process,as he is wont of doing,his efforts would still come to nought.
Kibaki is obviously aware of all these nauseating bottle-necks,but he is happy with them right in place!
Who will help us.


B.timer
Dunia ni msongamano..
Kaigangio
#53 Posted : Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:01:00 PM
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hey guys,

aren't you viewing the ringera issue as a diversion to the real burning issue...the thorny tribunal formation....for the last two weeks the mpigs have pre-occupied their minds with the illegalities of ringera's reappointment and forgot that they have until September 30th deadline to form the tribunal....or could there be something else in the offing????


NEVER TALK OF A RHINO IF THERE IS NO TREE NEAREBY - ZULU PROVERB
...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
Sophia
#54 Posted : Friday, September 18, 2009 3:24:00 PM
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I agree that personalising issues is not the way to go,rather we need to reform our institituons.however even with the limited powers he has,ringera has completely failed to demonstrate even meagre results.all he ever does is complain.and ofcourse there is the perception that his reappointment has everything to do with the president wanting to protect an elite group around him that have engaged in dubious acts over the years.

my point.ringera,wako etc must go.but even more important is a new constitution that removes imperial powers from the presidency and ensures public appointees are accountable to their taxpayer employers and NOT the executive.
wote
#55 Posted : Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:05:00 AM
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B.timer am really shocked you would say that parliament that represents all contituents of our beloved Republic 'lacks' locus standi/ legal right on this matter,so who does then? its a res ipso loquitur issue.

Standing orders-( Parliamentary Standing Orders are the rules that govern the operation of official business in Parliament-definition from webster dictionary)

Brewer/mpenzi,let me do this for you guys pro bono,if you go to the east African law report 1966,case of Paul Ngei v Republic( The maize scandal case) you find your answer in it in black and white.

In this case Parliament anullied the President's decission to appoint Paul Ngei to the cabinet because he had been involved in the maize scandal. He went to court which actually ruled in his favour that it was entirely okay for the Presinednt to have appointed him to the cabinet.

Parliament over turned the courts decission,an act that was later assented to as law by Kenyatta thus costing Ngei his Kangundo seat. After that parliamentary ruling,a by election was held and someone esle become an M.P for Kangundo. Kenyatta later on used his Presidential mercy to pardon Ngei.

This case also forms a big part in the book Public law and Political Change in Kenya by one Yash Pal.




wote
Mpenzi
#56 Posted : Tuesday, September 22, 2009 8:12:00 AM
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@wote
for the upteenth time we ask of you - please quote the provision of law that allows parliament to nullify a gazette notice. stop obscuring this straightforward question by quoting cases.
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