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John.jack157
#1 Posted : Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:02:33 AM
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Goodmorning all.Which is better in terms of market and relevance in future between msc information systems and msc computer science for someone with a bachelors in physics and computer studies.secondly,which uni would you recomend for any of these postgraduate courses?thanks so much.
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#2 Posted : Thursday, July 14, 2011 9:47:30 AM
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MSc Information System at UoN.
MSc computer science is for those who did BSc computer Science.
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mukiha
#3 Posted : Friday, July 15, 2011 11:16:22 AM
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John.jack157 wrote:
Goodmorning all.Which is better in terms of market and relevance in future between msc information systems and msc computer science for someone with a bachelors in physics and computer studies.secondly,which uni would you recomend for any of these postgraduate courses?thanks so much.


I will repeat this advice again and again: NEVER EVER chose a career based on [job] market!

Simply ask yourself what is more interesting and pick it. Everything else will fall into place.

Come to think of it; why did you end up studying Physics and Computer Studies in the first place?
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#4 Posted : Friday, July 15, 2011 11:51:46 AM
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GGK wrote:
MSc Information System at UoN.
MSc computer science is for those who did BSc computer Science.

It's difficult to answer without seeing the two curriculums. There could be some overlapping courses.
GGK
#5 Posted : Friday, July 15, 2011 11:51:48 AM
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mukiha wrote:


I will repeat this advice again and again: NEVER EVER chose a career based on [job] market!

Simply ask yourself what is more interesting and pick it. Everything else will fall into place.

Come to think of it; why did you end up studying Physics and Computer Studies in the first place?



Well said.........I'll invite you for a career talk
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nyuthe
#6 Posted : Friday, July 15, 2011 4:54:44 PM
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I'd say either. Physics is an elementary science that gives a lot of basic scientific principles laws and applications used in various fields...computer science being but a few of them. Now for a country that is transforming itself to being a knowledge based economy Information systems or computer science at a post graduate level gives u a lot of milleage in terms of research sciences( which tend to use alot of algorithms , laws and hypothesis from elementary sciences) which means that any field u may follow up at that level takes u right away to phd level with a lot of ease. I have published several papers with ease courtesy of this fact, whereas research sciences tend to be a little difficult for someone without elementary sciences background. None the less Kenya could be an R&D destination esp with the rise of science parks. All in all there are lot of practical areas u will apply ur knowledge with the kind of knowledge u gain is these areas. currently most of my collegues with a similar background are in serious consultancies regionally and globally e.g in the UK and Japan adding as i may proudly say to the body of knowledge and advancement of humanity. Their works are not highly publicized but they are involved with serious patent works with EADS NASA Oxford Uni, Sumsang just to name a few.

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#7 Posted : Friday, July 15, 2011 6:17:49 PM
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nyuthe wrote:
I'd say either. Physics is an elementary science that gives a lot of basic scientific principles laws and applications used in various fields...computer science being but a few of them. Now for a country that is transforming itself to being a knowledge based economy Information systems or computer science at a post graduate level gives u a lot of milleage in terms of research sciences( which tend to use alot of algorithms , laws and hypothesis from elementary sciences) which means that any field u may follow up at that level takes u right away to phd level with a lot of ease. I have published several papers with ease courtesy of this fact, whereas research sciences tend to be a little difficult for someone without elementary sciences background. None the less Kenya could be an R&D destination esp with the rise of science parks. All in all there are lot of practical areas u will apply ur knowledge with the kind of knowledge u gain is these areas. currently most of my collegues with a similar background are in serious consultancies regionally and globally e.g in the UK and Japan adding as i may proudly say to the body of knowledge and advancement of humanity. Their works are not highly publicized but they are involved with serious patent works with EADS NASA Oxford Uni,

Nice input, however I'm quite confused by what you are trying to say...

nyuthe wrote:
None the less Kenya could be an R&D destination esp with the rise of science parks.

Really????? Could you expound on that statement how buildings translate to the capability to run R&D
John.jack157
#8 Posted : Friday, July 15, 2011 6:19:52 PM
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Well,i went to UON school of computing as advised by a wazuan and what i gathered is that Msc Information systems is a conversion course for anyone with any undergraduate qualification and not necessarily from science or computing background.However,there are prerequisite courses in research methodology and algorithms which must be pursued and only after passing with B grade will one be admitted to the program.However,these courses are already covered in undergarduate program in both phy and comp as well as in pure bsc comps programs.
My question therefore is,what would be the strength of this program compared to msc comp science especially for one interested to pursue to Doctorate level and also enter to consultancy after Msc.
For Clarification,the job market is not the principal reason for choosing this stream but passion is.
But,who woudn't like taking a rewarding stream financially among other phases of expectations along a career path?
Thank you.
eboomerang
#9 Posted : Friday, July 15, 2011 6:36:22 PM
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John.jack157 wrote:
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My question therefore is,what would be the strength of this program compared to msc comp science especially for one interested to pursue to Doctorate level and also enter to consultancy after Msc...
Thank you.

From my perspective, the difference can only be understood after looking at the curriculum, some links to the would be helpful.

One thing though, I don't know how doctorate degrees are structured in Kenya, but to pursue a doctorate is basically to engage in research. This means you need to identify one phenomenon or topic that you would like to study then research it until you theorize the phenomenon. Mainly helping the research community understand the causality of what you are studying.

When studying in a Masters program it becomes more clear (hopefully)to you what you would be interested in pursuing for a Phd but let money not be a motivating factor, it is a very long road.

Therefore, both programs can be used as the basis of a Phd if you really want to follow the academic path. By the way when you are talking about consultancy what are you looking at?
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#10 Posted : Saturday, July 16, 2011 5:00:51 AM
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John.jack157 wrote:
Goodmorning all.Which is better in terms of market and relevance in future between msc information systems and msc computer science for someone with a bachelors in physics and computer studies.secondly,which uni would you recomend for any of these postgraduate courses?thanks so much.


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wanyee
#11 Posted : Sunday, July 17, 2011 4:27:39 PM
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eboomerang wrote:
nyuthe wrote:
I'd say either. Physics is an elementary science that gives a lot of basic scientific principles laws and applications used in various fields...computer science being but a few of them. Now for a country that is transforming itself to being a knowledge based economy Information systems or computer science at a post graduate level gives u a lot of milleage in terms of research sciences( which tend to use alot of algorithms , laws and hypothesis from elementary sciences) which means that any field u may follow up at that level takes u right away to phd level with a lot of ease. I have published several papers with ease courtesy of this fact, whereas research sciences tend to be a little difficult for someone without elementary sciences background. None the less Kenya could be an R&D destination esp with the rise of science parks. All in all there are lot of practical areas u will apply ur knowledge with the kind of knowledge u gain is these areas. currently most of my collegues with a similar background are in serious consultancies regionally and globally e.g in the UK and Japan adding as i may proudly say to the body of knowledge and advancement of humanity. Their works are not highly publicized but they are involved with serious patent works with EADS NASA Oxford Uni,

Nice input, however I'm quite confused by what you are trying to say...

nyuthe wrote:
None the less Kenya could be an R&D destination esp with the rise of science parks.

Really????? Could you expound on that statement how buildings translate to the capability to run R&D


Ofcourse meaningfull research(in physics or Computing) does not happen in Karinde or ndunyu..it happens in Laboratories and these have to be built..talk of Clean Room levels of 100 class and above..the current facilities available are institutional/govt owned science and technology parks opens up space for private sector driven research(and accompanied investment)these means innovation is backed by strong research hence sustainable and competitive. Kenya already has a large pool of human resources(Scientific & engineering) churned out by 8-4-4
these can be utilized in R&D
wanyee
#12 Posted : Sunday, July 17, 2011 4:48:09 PM
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The strength WILL not be in the name of your course but rather quality of your research work and the field of expertise
wanyee
#13 Posted : Sunday, July 17, 2011 4:59:40 PM
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John.jack157 wrote:
Goodmorning all.Which is better in terms of market and relevance in future between msc information systems and msc computer science for someone with a bachelors in physics and computer studies.secondly,which uni would you recomend for any of these postgraduate courses?thanks so much.


If by now you cannot differentiate the two:computer science and Information systems then you have no business trying to study either. UOn Strathmore, Maseno KCA Inoorero KEMU are offering courses going by various names but content wise difference is minimal depends on what you feel suits you. MSC courses are research based ad there are various reasons one wishes to undertake research(you learn that in Research methodologies) career advancement is one but many of the reasons.
nyuthe
#14 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 1:19:20 PM
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eboomerang wrote:
nyuthe wrote:
I'd say either. Physics is an elementary science that gives a lot of basic scientific principles laws and applications used in various fields...computer science being but a few of them. Now for a country that is transforming itself to being a knowledge based economy Information systems or computer science at a post graduate level gives u a lot of milleage in terms of research sciences( which tend to use alot of algorithms , laws and hypothesis from elementary sciences) which means that any field u may follow up at that level takes u right away to phd level with a lot of ease. I have published several papers with ease courtesy of this fact, whereas research sciences tend to be a little difficult for someone without elementary sciences background. None the less Kenya could be an R&D destination esp with the rise of science parks. All in all there are lot of practical areas u will apply ur knowledge with the kind of knowledge u gain is these areas. currently most of my collegues with a similar background are in serious consultancies regionally and globally e.g in the UK and Japan adding as i may proudly say to the body of knowledge and advancement of humanity. Their works are not highly publicized but they are involved with serious patent works with EADS NASA Oxford Uni,

Nice input, however I'm quite confused by what you are trying to say...

nyuthe wrote:
None the less Kenya could be an R&D destination esp with the rise of science parks.

Really????? Could you expound on that statement how buildings translate to the capability to run R&D

An example from India
http://respark.iitm.ac.i...artments_information.php
mtotana
#15 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 2:13:31 PM
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@Jack, With a bachelors degree in physics, I would advice you to go for Msc in Information Systems. I know of a friend who followed this path and is currently a lecture in one of the leading universities. If interested you can take this course in JKUAT courtesy of University of Sunderland. Scholarships for this course are given to about 20 local(read Kenyan) students every year by the commonwealth. All the best.
John.jack157
#16 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 3:54:45 PM
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20 kenyans every academic year.pls give details of how to apply for this scholarships.do they apply for jkuat only or include other unis in kenya?
mukiha
#17 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 4:17:59 PM
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GGK wrote:
mukiha wrote:


I will repeat this advice again and again: NEVER EVER chose a career based on [job] market!

Simply ask yourself what is more interesting and pick it. Everything else will fall into place.

Come to think of it; why did you end up studying Physics and Computer Studies in the first place?



Well said.........I'll invite you for a career talk


Just tell me the time and the place...
Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
eboomerang
#18 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 4:31:42 PM
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nyuthe wrote:
eboomerang wrote:
nyuthe wrote:
None the less Kenya could be an R&D destination esp with the rise of science parks.

Really????? Could you expound on that statement how buildings translate to the capability to run R&D

An example from India
http://respark.iitm.ac.i...rtments_information.php

Perhaps I should be more direct with what I'm trying to get across...A country's ability to be an R&D haven has little to do with science parks and anything to do with thematic centers.

Instead, it has all to do with intellectual property and the availability of high quality talent.

I guess you know of a company called HP, check where it started, better yet Google just to name a few. These companies started in garages only armed with an idea and the technical know-how to convert their idea to a "tangible" product or service.

You can also check the story behind Thomas Edison who founded GE, one of the worlds largest companies.

So to me it doesn't really matter how many science parks you build, the fundamental education has to be right. Education that empowers people and helps them realize that they can actually create solutions to the earth's challenges.

One global company is enough to get a country to emerge, especially a country the size of Kenya but a lot of things have to be set right.

In a functional economy, @John.Jack157 doesn't have to really change tracks if he did love Physics. There are a lot of innovations being brought about by physicists to this date, check these recent breakthrough. However, the situation in Kenya is what it is and life has to move on.

Apologies to @John.Jack157, for veering off topic I hope you will be able to choose between the two. If you are really into fundamental stuff i.e you love to know what is under the hood, then go for computer science. Information systems is one domain within computer science.
mtotana
#19 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 5:29:33 PM
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@Jack, the scholarships are open to everyone regardless of the university one attended. Otherwise I understand you'll need 2k for the application forms which are obtained from JKUAT. The most encouraging point about it, is that the selections are done by the commonwealth staff hence very transparent. Be on the look out for the scholarships advert-it normally appears on the Daily Nation.
nyuthe
#20 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2011 11:19:08 AM
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eboomerang wrote:
nyuthe wrote:
eboomerang wrote:
nyuthe wrote:
None the less Kenya could be an R&D destination esp with the rise of science parks.

Really????? Could you expound on that statement how buildings translate to the capability to run R&D

An example from India
http://respark.iitm.ac.i...rtments_information.php

Perhaps I should be more direct with what I'm trying to get across...A country's ability to be an R&D haven has little to do with science parks and anything to do with thematic centers.

Instead, it has all to do with intellectual property and the availability of high quality talent.

I guess you know of a company called HP, check where it started, better yet Google just to name a few. These companies started in garages only armed with an idea and the technical know-how to convert their idea to a "tangible" product or service.

You can also check the story behind Thomas Edison who founded GE, one of the worlds largest companies.

So to me it doesn't really matter how many science parks you build, the fundamental education has to be right. Education that empowers people and helps them realize that they can actually create solutions to the earth's challenges.

One global company is enough to get a country to emerge, especially a country the size of Kenya but a lot of things have to be set right.

In a functional economy, @John.Jack157 doesn't have to really change tracks if he did love Physics. There are a lot of innovations being brought about by physicists to this date, check these recent breakthrough. However, the situation in Kenya is what it is and life has to move on.

Apologies to @John.Jack157, for veering off topic I hope you will be able to choose between the two. If you are really into fundamental stuff i.e you love to know what is under the hood, then go for computer science. Information systems is one domain within computer science.

No need to reinvent the "wheel" Hp is one of the companies utilizing these parks ..they are not going behind Kamau's garage to build planes powered by a VW beattle engine or come up with fly-by-night products scheme to make money(enterprenuership is more than just making money)

John, the program by Sunderland was being offered in collaboration with JKUAT previously however this partnership has since been discontinued and Sunderland should be doing this with either IAT or Inoorero there are numerous reasons for the discontinuation. However it was quite pricey though.
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