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The fast & furious
#41 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 4:17:58 PM
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But on another level, I think what is written in the Old Testament is very childish. The New Testament makes alot of sense.

Sample this:

http://lds.org/languages...apter-45-esther-eng.pdf

Esther plotted to have Haman and his ppl killed. Mordecai...

Truly, what kind of a God would allow you to kill others? It is not surprising that the writers of the OT only wanted to make the jews appear more super human than others, they had a right to kill, always had beautiful girls who seduced the kings, used trickely to survive and needed constant reprimands from their god because they were very naughty. It is pure myth of the highest order.
The signature of God runs in all things. Only fools fail to see it and believe in Him. However, others see it even where non exists - now you see where the false pastor comes in.
The fast & furious
#42 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 4:23:34 PM
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http://lds.org/library/d...45,8187-1-4473-5,00.html
The signature of God runs in all things. Only fools fail to see it and believe in Him. However, others see it even where non exists - now you see where the false pastor comes in.
scout_boy
#43 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2011 8:51:12 AM
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@Bomboclat,

Jews: One is either a jew by the mother being born jewish or the person converting to Judaism.Correct.
However not all jews are into Judaism, some are secular.



Quote:
Now, when it comes to that piece of crap you people call the bible, it has been known to be translated wrongly. This happened when the Greeks were translating it from the Amharic version. The only people that I have seen using the Amharic version are the Ethiopians who happen to be orthodox, the same as the other Jews that i've met. Just google George Lamsa so that you know what you are referring wrongly translated.







The same story repeated has been repeated by many a cult leader.They always claim scriptures are corrupt and that they are the only ones who are able to bring forth new scriptures
with the "true scriptures."
Take care you don't fall into cultism.

Did you mean Aramaic????





The Bible in the future will become the de facto yardstick for judging the utility of new scriptures.Moreover,this has to be coupled by the character and message of Jesus Christ.
Any new religious movement sort of must include these two elements .




@Fast and Furious,

The Tanak(Old Testament) says it is the other way round ,Hamman and his crew wanted all Jews killed.Judging from the events that have taken place through history and comments by certain people on this forum
this is what took place.

The text here is from Mormonic traditions.




Any form of racism or segregation is wrong whether it's labelled Zionism or not.
Insurgent
#44 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2011 9:12:38 AM
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We need to sober up when quoting or using the OT as a reference. Only an evil society would have come up with such a document.

God moulded Adam out of mud, he created a woman out of his limb, he planted an apple tree in the middle of the garden and told them not to eat from the tree. If the God had not smoked something very strong when he went about this adventure, he should have known in advance that the woman would deceive the man to consume the same. In other words, who was fooling who?

The people who wrote the OT were Jews, then they say they are the chosen few. You cannot decide on your own that you are the chosen by pulling the wool over humanity's eyes. It is like a leader who stands up and decides he is the chosen one. These are characteristics of demons and witches.

At the other end, the OT predicts the coming of a messiah. Jews are still waiting for the Messiah. Christians on the otehr hand decided Jesus was the Messiah. Jews prophesied the Messiah, so they are validly the rights ones to identify the Messiah, a political Messiah. That is what they live for, they work day and night to realize that vision in life, get their own personalized messiah who will help them dominate over the earth.

So, who would you believe as the bonafide identifier of the Messiah?

One thing I agree with is that the NT makes a lot of sense until it comes to revelation. If you want to pass a message, make it clear to the recipient or shut up as doing otherwise causes more confusion than order.


"One man gives freely, yet gains even more; another withholds unduly, but comes to poverty. A generous man will prosper; he who refreshes others will himself be refreshed." Rev Canon Karanja.

poundfoolish
#45 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2011 10:38:16 AM
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Insurgent... are you a student of history?
How do you explain their Odyssey in life over the centuries...

How did the royal families in Europe come to be indebted to simple fellows in ghettos.

George Soros pulled a similar trick Nathan Mayer Rothschild pulled centuries ago on Her Majesty's government.

Have you read the Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell and tried to explain how small juakali industries from the Jewish ghettos have grown into large conglomerates as compared to those ran by Italian immigrants in similar conditions; started at the same time (and im talking banking, lawfirms, clothelines)

Go through the list on this site and tell me which part of your life isnt touched by them..

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t62339/

its hard to imagine such a small percentage of the human population are there by shear chance and self hardwork... there must be something superhuman behind it..

lets not forget the catastrophes
Hitler 1945
and pre 1945 theyd been among the few homeless people roaming all over the world... a nation without boundaries
scout_boy
#46 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2011 4:44:06 PM
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The mistake people make is that they imagine composed and wrote the Bible.It might not be God's work to write scriptures.


Jews wrote both OT and NT inspired by God.


God molded Adam out of humusEh?


He created them male and female and blessed them And when they were created, he called them "man." Gen 5:2


Of course ,God knew Eve would be deceived along with Adam.At the same time God probably did not know this would happen.


Among the many trees planted were two distinct ones,Tree of life and tree of the knowledge of good and evil.The latter was a forbidden edible.

Apple fruits were not prohibited.


The marked difference lies in OT and NT lies in language.The OT was written in Hebrew while NT is Greek the language of Aristole,Socrates,Plato ,Logic ,Science
etc.The Jewish writers had to up their game with time.
Genghis Khan
#47 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2011 6:17:16 PM
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Quick questions for Christians / Jews. Do not judge me, just think a little bit...

1. Before his ascencion, Jesus Christ promised his Apostles "I tell you the truth, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom."

So either...
Son of Man came and we don't know
or...
some of those present have yet to taste death after almost 2,000yrs
or... what?

2. After creating a world of people "the Lord God of Abraham" went ahead and chose "His" people whom he guided to slaughter others for centuries for no good reason. Osama fits right into the old testament... he may have been a great Judge, even a King if he was a Jew at that time!! If he was a Christian crusader in the 11th century and killed a thousand people, he would be a saint today!

3. What do you have to say of all the Popes who massacred all and sudry in the name of "the Lord", most are saints to date, will they be the ones to welcome the righteous to heaven. They were greedy, amorous and generally immoral... one even managed to make his own son pope after him! Have you heard of the Spanish Inquistion, THAT was a holocaust! If you don't know what I'm talking about then you don't want to.

4. Many Merus are methodist / many Kiuks are PCEA many Kisiis are SDA / many Swahili are Islam / Somalis are Islam... is it possible that many of us Kenyans inherit our beliefs and values as we inherit our food preferences? Does the mzungu who built the church in my rural village 100+ years ago deserve the devotion of generations of my descendants?


Think...

5. When Galileo suggested that the Earth moved around the Sun, the Church found him: "vehemently suspect of heresy, namely of having held the opinions that the Sun lies motionless at the centre of the universe, that the Earth is not at its centre and moves, and that one may hold and defend an opinion as probable after it has been declared contrary to Holy Scripture. He was required to "abjure, curse and detest" those opinions. He was sentenced to formal imprisonment at the pleasure of the Inquisition.
The Church insisted that "The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved." 1Chronicles 16:30

Do you now believe that the world is flat
or...
that Paul was not Inspired when writing the Chronicles
or...
that the Church mis-interprated the Bible?

6. Do you now believe that the Lord God of Genesis created the world less than 10,000 years ago... and that fossils of Dinosaurs are... what funny looking rocks?

"I would have been a Christian but for Christians" - MAHATMA GANDHI

"The problem is not what we don't know... it's what we know for sure that just ain't!" - MARK TWAIN


If there was a rightoeus person that I admire in his strength of character, it was Gandhi. In practice he was a follower of Christ's teaching... yet the Doctrine and Institution of Christianity did not suffice for him.

Mark Twain tells you in a funny tone, it is possible that YOU are wrong sometimes...
"I'd rather be lucky than clever... every time!" - ME
"The problem is not what we don't know... it's what we know for sure that just ain't!" - MARK TWAIN
"Space we can recover... time never!" - NAPOLEON BONAPARTE
scout_boy
#48 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2011 8:46:48 PM
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Very Good questions;
Q1.It is generally recommended for proper evaluation of teachings from scriptures at least more than one verse should be used.
This verse on its own is ambiguous ,however juxtaposed with early chapters of Acts and seems to imply a coming of Age when Jesus is glorified
and is thus able to pour His Spirit unto mankind.



Q2.The biblical wars especially those in the book of Joshua largely
lack evidence or acknowledgement from other historical sources.Hence ,are not used by mainstream Jewish or Christian as teachings.
In comparison,atrocities attributed to Julius Caeser,The real Genghis Khan and many others can be safely taken as historical facts.



Q3.Highly regretted but was the work of the apostate church.They ended up killing more Jews and Christians than their enemies.


Q4.You are correct to put it that way.That is how religions work.


Q5.Danger of working with one verse highlighted here:See:



"He spreads out the northern [skies] over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing" (Job 26:7, NIV).

"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth..." (Isaiah 40:22,NIV)

Paul did not write The Chronicles



Q6.Depends on the model of creation chosen.10,000 years could be when earth was remodeled.


Once again good questions,Genghis
savant
#49 Posted : Wednesday, July 20, 2011 3:21:29 AM
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I came across this today....

http://testimonies.com.au/accident/back-dead

When all is said and done... You who does not believe, i pray that God gives you the wisdom, strength and depth of insight to acknowledge and choose life.

Généralement, les gens qui savant peu parlent becoup, et les gens qui savant beaucoup parlent peu.
- Rousseau.
Insurgent
#50 Posted : Wednesday, July 20, 2011 9:09:33 AM
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Genghis Khan wrote:

2. After creating a world of people "the Lord God of Abraham" went ahead and chose (What evidence does anyone have that they were the chosen) "His" people whom he guided to slaughter others for centuries for no good reason. Osama fits right into the old testament... he may have been a great Judge, even a King if he was a Jew at that time!! If he was a Christian crusader in the 11th century and killed a thousand people, he would be a saint today!

3. What do you have to say of all the Popes who massacred all and sudry in the name of "the Lord", most are saints to date, will they be the ones to welcome the righteous to heaven. They were greedy, amorous and generally immoral... one even managed to make his own son pope after him! Have you heard of the Spanish Inquistion, THAT was a holocaust! If you don't know what I'm talking about then you don't want to.

5. When Galileo suggested that the Earth moved around the Sun, the Church found him: "vehemently suspect of heresy, namely of having held the opinions that the Sun lies motionless at the centre of the universe, that the Earth is not at its centre and moves, and that one may hold and defend an opinion as probable after it has been declared contrary to Holy Scripture. He was required to "abjure, curse and detest" those opinions. He was sentenced to formal imprisonment at the pleasure of the Inquisition.
The Church insisted that "The world is firmly established; it cannot be moved." 1Chronicles 16:30

Do you now believe that the world is flat
or...
that Paul was not Inspired when writing the Chronicles
or...
that the Church mis-interprated the Bible?



Thank you sir. Here is a right thinking man, right there.

In Christianity, we are told to believe some of this things blindly through faith because they cannot stand a simple test.

No wonder the Pinks have abandoned the same religion they brought to africa, and we are still under its spell.

If he was a Christian crusader in the 11th century and killed a thousand people, he would be a saint today!

3. What do you have to say of all the Popes who massacred all and sudry in the name of "the Lord", most are saints to date, will they be the ones to welcome the righteous to heaven. They were greedy, amorous and generally immoral... one even managed to make his own son pope after him! Have you heard of the Spanish Inquistion, THAT was a holocaust! If you don't know what I'm talking about then you don't want to.


That is why I would question the baptismal name you might be having. Was it from an ancestral Pink Witch? But we accept the names without questioning the origin, the role model the saint is supposed to portray etc


"One man gives freely, yet gains even more; another withholds unduly, but comes to poverty. A generous man will prosper; he who refreshes others will himself be refreshed." Rev Canon Karanja.

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