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cassandra
#1 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 5:08:21 PM
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Doing my first building project...

On cement.. what's the best brand? Is price indicative of quality? I've got quotes for Bamburi - 720, Simba - 700, some other brand 680 etc.

Pia nimeambiwa koroga guys have a tendency to ponyoka na some bags? What precautions do you guys who've been here and done this suggest?
GGK
#2 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 5:58:21 PM
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I've used Blue Triangle...
It all depends on what you are doing

Koroga guys will always outsmart you.. but when you look at it differently, it motivates them to work better. Just allocate some kidogo % for losses like that
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cassandra
#3 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 6:32:00 PM
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GGK wrote:
I've used Blue Triangle...
It all depends on what you are doing
...


Simple 2-bedroomed residential house. They've asked for quite a number of bags for slab.
GGK
#4 Posted : Monday, July 18, 2011 6:44:45 PM
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Try this thread

http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...aspx?g=posts&t=6075

And many others

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kiterunner
#5 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2011 12:20:45 AM
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look for a thread called questions for archtect where star contributor was one Pablo, very informative
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B.Timer
#6 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2011 7:52:05 AM
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Use Bamburi.
Unrivalled in quality.

Ask your self how much you stand to save for using
cheaper brands and compromising on quality.
Dunia ni msongamano..
mukiha
#7 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2011 8:43:19 AM
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B.Timer wrote:

Use Bamburi.
Unrivalled in quality.

Ask your self how much you stand to save for using
cheaper brands and compromising on quality.



What do you mean? Doesn't all cement in Kenya conform to the same KEBS standard? Is there any record of a building that collapsed because the cement used was of poor quality? NB: I'm not talking about the concrete mix, which would be a contractor problem.
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majimaji
#8 Posted : Tuesday, July 19, 2011 1:32:02 PM
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@ Cassandra, the major brands in kenya are ok. What causes failure of structures is mostly the concrete mix ie ratio of cement, sand and ballast and also the curing of the concrete (watering of concrete so that it sets to strength)
On the bamburi cement packaging, they give the ratio of cement, sand and ballast eg 1:2:4 for slabs etc (check) From this, one can calculate roughly how many bags of cement required by volume. If in doubt, consult an engineer.
FUNKY
#9 Posted : Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:59:25 AM
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I will advice you to use Bamburi cement only....its the best.
GGK
#10 Posted : Wednesday, July 20, 2011 11:13:28 AM
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I once did tests (both destructive and non-destructive) on concrete cubes done using several cement brands in Kenya. The blocks using the same mix and cured similarly yielded no statistically significant difference in strength.... don't be fooled.

The rest is marketing..... If you asked Bamburi to prove their point, they will tell you structures don't lie..... What do they expect? Nyali bridge to collapse?
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mukiha
#11 Posted : Thursday, July 21, 2011 8:25:41 AM
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Of course, @GGK.

they are all manufactured to the same standards.

There is no scientific basis for the claims made by Bamburi... just like there is no scientific basis for the claims made about "V-Power" petroleum (is it still in the market and is anyone using it? I tried it and my car performed worse than with normal premium grade!)
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mmarto
#12 Posted : Thursday, July 21, 2011 9:13:00 AM
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@cassandra, the fundis will tell you that for plastering you use blue triangle. It leaves a "brighter" finish to which you could use less undercoat paint.
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bkismat
#13 Posted : Thursday, July 21, 2011 9:25:14 AM
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Very clever markerting by bamburi. It is like saying that mumias sugar is better than sony sugar yet there is absolutely no difference apart from the packaging.
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Barrywhite
#14 Posted : Thursday, July 21, 2011 9:29:14 AM
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All cement is manufactured to the same standard. From my experience, the brightness of the finish comes from water. Far too many fundis just use any water to do plastering; when standards require that you use water free from impurities. That means the water you use for plastering should be as good as water certified for drinking. But when you use water in which impurities are (ie borehole water), then you end up getting a bad finish, which with time develops line of weakness which grow to cracks. Never ever overlook the quality of water used for plastering. I see fundis getting water from swamps, to go plaster with. wrong wrong wrong!
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cassandra
#15 Posted : Thursday, July 21, 2011 1:21:38 PM
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@All. Thanks for the insightful thoughts.

Now grappling with the number of workmen to engage so that the work is completed in a reasonably short time. For now I have a fundi @1K a day + 3 workmen @300 a day. Work starts this weekend.

Also bought ballast, sand, concrete blocks and had to take the fundi's word for the quantity in a 'Lorry'. Is there a standard 'Lorry' ama it depends on who's selling? Am learning quite a bit..
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