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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/17/2008 Posts: 1,234
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Burning Spear wrote:all wazuans here who have kids with frequent ailments,homa kila saa,please pass by a drug store (pharmacy) and buy Vitamin A caps 200,000 IU and give them.just one cap is enough for one kid to suck and remember to replenish after every six months.those flu and flue like ailments will not get your children.This is one thing doctors forget giving their customers and it could be the answer to those frequent ailments. BS, and for adults?
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Mpenzi wrote:Burning Spear wrote:all wazuans here who have kids with frequent ailments,homa kila saa,please pass by a drug store (pharmacy) and buy Vitamin A caps 200,000 IU and give them.just one cap is enough for one kid to suck and remember to replenish after every six months.those flu and flue like ailments will not get your children.This is one thing doctors forget giving their customers and it could be the answer to those frequent ailments. BS, and for adults? BS = For a moment there I thought it meant something else. He who can express in words the ardour of his love, has but little love to express. - Petrach, Son. (That men by various ways arrive at the same end. - Montaigne, The Essays of.)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/8/2008 Posts: 947
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Burning Spear wrote:tony stark wrote:Burning Spear wrote:all wazuans here who have kids with frequent ailments,homa kila saa,please pass by a drug store (pharmacy) and buy Vitamin A caps 200,000 IU and give them.just one cap is enough for one kid to suck and remember to replenish after every six months.those flu and flue like ailments will not get your children.This is one thing doctors forget giving their customers and it could be the answer to those frequent ailments. The problem with Wazua is this faceless interactions with people who do not face the responsibility of their actions. The dose you just adviced middle and upper class parents to give is what is recommended by WHO for children in high risk group. High risk group is children who suffer and are at risk of suffering from vitamin a deficiency due to poor diet imagine dadaab camp. 200,000 IU of vitamin A every 6 months can cause chronic hypervitaminosis A in children and more so to children of these middle and upper class who already have other sources of vitamin A and have adequate stores. Vitamin A is lipid soluble and will be stored in the body and can cause increased intracranial pressure. To add insult to injury you havent said what age group. What happens when you give a 6 month old 4 times the recommended doses (50,000 IU) of high level supplementation?? Mind you the 50000 is already a lot for well fed kids! That can cause acute hypervitaminosis A. Advice should always be taken with a pinch of salt! While its good to critic,please note it is not good to cause alarm on issues that can cause public anxiety.Some of the information you have raised on hypervitaminosis (excess Vitamin A) arise out of the written literature by medical officers and manufaturers of such suppliemnts.In reality,such information is considered conservative to avoid medico-legal issues should anything happen.A good example is when health experts warn that one can get HIV by fingering a girl with cuts yet there is no case that have ever been reported to have resulted in transmiss ion worldwide for over 30 years of HIV or even kissing. Back to Vitamin A usage.Here below is the revised recommended prophylactic dosage based on age. 6-11 months – one doze of 100,000 IU 1-5 years - 200,000 IU/6 months Every infant 6-11 months and kids one to five years should get repeat doses every 6 months. The dosage is ok especially to all third word countries nad cannot cause hypervitaminosis. Are you white? I don't know what kind of quack you are but your must be the quacking kind. You think people visiting wazua have kids at risk of vitamin A deficiency. The doses you are advising are for high risk children who have malnutrition, xeropthalmia, refugees and children with measles. Wazua kids are more likely to be obese than malnutrition. According to the institute of medicine risk of hypervitaminosis has been observed at rates of 21000 IU. So risk of chronic vitaminosis is definitely very real just from following your silly advice. What happens when the wazuans you advice who now believe that one 200000IU is safe spread the word and you have all this wazuans popping vitamin A cause its a vitamin and it is safe and start popping it every other day. Be serious the risk of chronic and acute hypervitaminosis A is real and you shouldn't be dishing out stupid advice because you are protected by a pseudonym.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/8/2008 Posts: 947
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XSK wrote:tony stark wrote:[quote=Burning Spear]all wazuans here who have kids with frequent ailments,homa kila saa,please pass by a drug store (pharmacy) and buy Vitamin A caps 200,000 IU and give them.just one cap is enough for one kid to suck and remember to replenish after every six months.those flu and flue like ailments will not get your children.This is one thing doctors forget giving their customers and it could be the answer to those frequent ailments. ....... 200,000 IU of vitamin A every 6 months can cause chronic hypervitaminosis A in children and more so to children of these middle and upper class who already have other sources of vitamin A and have adequate stores. ...... To add insult to injury you havent said what age group. What happens when you give a 6 month old 4 times the recommended doses (50,000 IU) of high level supplementation?? Mind you the 50000 is already a lot for well fed kids! That can cause acute hypervitaminosis A. Advice should always be taken with a pinch of salt![/quote] Including this one above? Definitely all advice should be taken with a pinch of salt. I think you should definitely follow BS advice and in fact double everything because if one is good 2 must be better and 3 will be great. Don't forget the pinch of salt!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/25/2007 Posts: 1,574
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Burning Spear wrote:all wazuans here who have kids with frequent ailments,homa kila saa,please pass by a drug store (pharmacy) and buy Vitamin A caps 200,000 IU and give them.just one cap is enough for one kid to suck and remember to replenish after every six months.those flu and flue like ailments will not get your children.This is one thing doctors forget giving their customers and it could be the answer to those frequent ailments. Vitamin A supplementation is OFTEN recommended for children who are sick (according to Integrated Management of Childhood Illnesses, WHO/UNICEF) or for children living in areas affected by Vitamin A deficiency. In most countries, Vitamin A is given as part of immunization along with the measles vaccine at 9 months of age. http://www.who.int/vaccines/en/vitamina.shtml
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/11/2008 Posts: 2,306
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We long digressed from the hospital discussion to vitamin A - a technical discussion on which I have no input. Now lets get back to the hospital discussion, shall we! Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/21/2006 Posts: 422 Location: Nairobi
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I have learnt alot from this thread
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/3/2010 Posts: 1,141 Location: Londokwe
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For those looking for a Paedeatrician, Dr Miriam Karanja of KNH Doctors plaza is good . The long line in her clinic is a good testimony to this. She charges Kshs 1,500/=.Her patience and motherly love is an assurance that your baby will be well even before she prescribes any medicine. Im all smiles on her services.To get her you need to be patient because she is not in hurry to make more shillings on the next customer. 2012 is here.Kenya is Ours.Be Part of The Peace Keeping Mission To Protect Our Motherland.Say No To Violence and Tribal Hatred .If you can read this,wewe ni mtu amesoma, usifikirie kama mtu hajaenda shule .Ni Hayo Tu
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 1,139
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tony stark wrote:Burning Spear wrote:tony stark wrote:Burning Spear wrote:all wazuans here who have kids with frequent ailments,homa kila saa,please pass by a drug store (pharmacy) and buy Vitamin A caps 200,000 IU and give them.just one cap is enough for one kid to suck and remember to replenish after every six months.those flu and flue like ailments will not get your children.This is one thing doctors forget giving their customers and it could be the answer to those frequent ailments. The problem with Wazua is this faceless interactions with people who do not face the responsibility of their actions. The dose you just adviced middle and upper class parents to give is what is recommended by WHO for children in high risk group. High risk group is children who suffer and are at risk of suffering from vitamin a deficiency due to poor diet imagine dadaab camp. 200,000 IU of vitamin A every 6 months can cause chronic hypervitaminosis A in children and more so to children of these middle and upper class who already have other sources of vitamin A and have adequate stores. Vitamin A is lipid soluble and will be stored in the body and can cause increased intracranial pressure. To add insult to injury you havent said what age group. What happens when you give a 6 month old 4 times the recommended doses (50,000 IU) of high level supplementation?? Mind you the 50000 is already a lot for well fed kids! That can cause acute hypervitaminosis A. Advice should always be taken with a pinch of salt! While its good to critic,please note it is not good to cause alarm on issues that can cause public anxiety.Some of the information you have raised on hypervitaminosis (excess Vitamin A) arise out of the written literature by medical officers and manufaturers of such suppliemnts.In reality,such information is considered conservative to avoid medico-legal issues should anything happen.A good example is when health experts warn that one can get HIV by fingering a girl with cuts yet there is no case that have ever been reported to have resulted in transmiss ion worldwide for over 30 years of HIV or even kissing. Back to Vitamin A usage.Here below is the revised recommended prophylactic dosage based on age. 6-11 months – one doze of 100,000 IU 1-5 years - 200,000 IU/6 months Every infant 6-11 months and kids one to five years should get repeat doses every 6 months. The dosage is ok especially to all third word countries nad cannot cause hypervitaminosis. Are you white? I don't know what kind of quack you are but your must be the quacking kind. You think people visiting wazua have kids at risk of vitamin A deficiency. The doses you are advising are for high risk children who have malnutrition, xeropthalmia, refugees and children with measles. Wazua kids are more likely to be obese than malnutrition. According to the institute of medicine risk of hypervitaminosis has been observed at rates of 21000 IU. So risk of chronic vitaminosis is definitely very real just from following your silly advice. What happens when the wazuans you advice who now believe that one 200000IU is safe spread the word and you have all this wazuans popping vitamin A cause its a vitamin and it is safe and start popping it every other day. Be serious the risk of chronic and acute hypervitaminosis A is real and you shouldn't be dishing out stupid advice because you are protected by a pseudonym. @Tony Stark Your argument clearly portrays someone who reads internet information alot and thereby think you know alot and qualified online and can educate people on areas you have no practice or authority ! This kind of masquerading as a qualified medical expert leaves no doubt that you are worse than an idiot ! "You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it". Malcolm X
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/26/2008 Posts: 2,097
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Is it lifestyles, GMOs, or nutrition that makes the middle and upper middle class' children have so much medidical attention? During my lower primary school long time ago, we rarely fell sick. Yet we used to play in the rain, soaking ourselves deep in the waters, skidding left and right in the mud, yet we would sleep soundly at night. Is it the modern family foods that preexposes the children to a miriad of diseases or what else? "Never regret, if its good, its wonderful. If its bad, its experience."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/13/2009 Posts: 1,950 Location: in kenya
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Elder wrote:Mpenzi wrote:Burning Spear wrote:all wazuans here who have kids with frequent ailments,homa kila saa,please pass by a drug store (pharmacy) and buy Vitamin A caps 200,000 IU and give them.just one cap is enough for one kid to suck and remember to replenish after every six months.those flu and flue like ailments will not get your children.This is one thing doctors forget giving their customers and it could be the answer to those frequent ailments. BS, and for adults? BS = For a moment there I thought it meant something else. ME TOO. '......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/7/2010 Posts: 520 Location: Epicentre - Ngamia 1
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Its not a coincidence that this thread has come up - saw in janaz DN Obituaries - Bridgit Thata.......RIP child! Don't jua the story but she was at Gertrude's Muthaiga. Whoever can get the link,please.... Build your own dreams, or someone else will hire you to build theirs - Farrah Gray.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 6/13/2011 Posts: 63 Location: njokishk
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@ forester, i also saw the obituaries, so sad a cute little angel passed away at Getrude's Muthaiga, guys please advise your friends to be careful of Getrude's they will definitely kill all our children
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 1,139
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njokishk wrote:@ forester, i also saw the obituaries, so sad a cute little angel passed away at Getrude's Muthaiga, guys please advise your friends to be careful of Getrude's they will definitely kill all our children
true!!!! but, what is more painful is when u help people and there emerges an internet qualified expert. and disputes what he has no authority?? on!! someone advising people that wazua people have kids with more vitamins becoz they are fat deserves to be lynched.fatness and immune system are two different things!!! visit all govt hospitals where I have worked and u will realise what am telling u regarding vitamin A. I cannot argue more regarding this case and all individuals have a right to choose who is speaking the truth. I wish u all good health!!!!! "You're not supposed to be so blind with patriotism that you can't face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who says it". Malcolm X
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/8/2008 Posts: 947
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Burning Spear wrote:njokishk wrote:@ forester, i also saw the obituaries, so sad a cute little angel passed away at Getrude's Muthaiga, guys please advise your friends to be careful of Getrude's they will definitely kill all our children
true!!!! but, what is more painful is when u help people and there emerges an internet qualified expert. and disputes what he has no authority?? on!! someone advising people that wazua people have kids with more vitamins becoz they are fat deserves to be lynched.fatness and immune system are two different things!!! visit all govt hospitals where I have worked and u will realise what am telling u regarding vitamin A. I cannot argue more regarding this case and all individuals have a right to choose who is speaking the truth. I wish u all good health!!!!! BS I suspect you are a Clinical Officer. I have nothing against clinical officers like you. Infact I blame my collegues who did not train you well when you were in KMTC. I am sorry for your poor grounding in basic physiology and your non existent knowledge on epidemiology. My second differential to you arcane thought process should suggest you are probably a Veterinarian. Hence your limited scope to the repercussion to you horrible advice and your inability to profile and categorize medical conditions. If you are a CO you can redeem yourself by attending KMA CPD (continuous professional development) CO are allowed to attend. It's free and you can get some knowledge. This is my advice as a Wazua brother. There is a CPD in NH every week go and get some knowledge. If you are a Vet please stick to artificial insemination and newcastle disease let the real doctors do what they are supposd to do! Okay let me briefly educate you on something called double disease burden.It occurs often in middle income and low income countries where the prevalence of obesity and malnutrition coexist in the same communities. Nairobi is a good example where you will get malnourished children from slums and other poor communities and in the same hospital find children suffering from slipped capital femoral epiphysis(SUFE). I know you might not have been taught this in KMTC or VET school but this condition occurs in fat kids. PS: Being fat and immune system are very related and for that you will need a lecture you can go to PubMed (Where i am published but do I say) and get informed and educated. For more information please go read Nelsons textbook of paediatrics and vitamin A hypervitaminosis it discusses prevalence and how it occurs and your silly advice is exactly how it occurs. I hope you can now withdraw your lynching request and I hope you achieve your dream of being a REAL Doctor.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 6/1/2010 Posts: 87 Location: Zimbalabala
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tony stark wrote:Burning Spear wrote:njokishk wrote:@ forester, i also saw the obituaries, so sad a cute little angel passed away at Getrude's Muthaiga, guys please advise your friends to be careful of Getrude's they will definitely kill all our children
true!!!! but, what is more painful is when u help people and there emerges an internet qualified expert. and disputes what he has no authority?? on!! someone advising people that wazua people have kids with more vitamins becoz they are fat deserves to be lynched.fatness and immune system are two different things!!! visit all govt hospitals where I have worked and u will realise what am telling u regarding vitamin A. I cannot argue more regarding this case and all individuals have a right to choose who is speaking the truth. I wish u all good health!!!!! BS I suspect you are a Clinical Officer. I have nothing against clinical officers like you. Infact I blame my collegues who did not train you well when you were in KMTC. I am sorry for your poor grounding in basic physiology and your non existent knowledge on epidemiology. My second differential to you arcane thought process should suggest you are probably a Veterinarian. Hence your limited scope to the repercussion to you horrible advice and your inability to profile and categorize medical conditions. If you are a CO you can redeem yourself by attending KMA CPD (continuous professional development) CO are allowed to attend. It's free and you can get some knowledge. This is my advice as a Wazua brother. There is a CPD in NH every week go and get some knowledge. If you are a Vet please stick to artificial insemination and newcastle disease let the real doctors do what they are supposd to do! Okay let me briefly educate you on something called double disease burden.It occurs often in middle income and low income countries where the prevalence of obesity and malnutrition coexist in the same communities. Nairobi is a good example where you will get malnourished children from slums and other poor communities and in the same hospital find children suffering from slipped capital femoral epiphysis(SUFE). I know you might not have been taught this in KMTC or VET school but this condition occurs in fat kids. PS: Being fat and immune system are very related and for that you will need a lecture you can go to PubMed (Where i am published but do I say) and get informed and educated. For more information please go read Nelsons textbook of paediatrics and vitamin A hypervitaminosis it discusses prevalence and how it occurs and your silly advice is exactly how it occurs. I hope you can now withdraw your lynching request and I hope you achieve your dream of being a REAL Doctor. @ Idiot Bony stock Well I prefer .......... To believe the clinical officers .............. Bull Shit to your .............. Claiming to be a quack ........... You arrogance and ignorance amazes me .............. @ clinical officer BS thank you ............. for your information .................. Thankfully I do not have children to experiment your misinformation on .......................
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114
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Tebes wrote:Is it lifestyles, GMOs, or nutrition that makes the middle and upper middle class' children have so much medidical attention? During my lower primary school long time ago, we rarely fell sick. Yet we used to play in the rain, soaking ourselves deep in the waters, skidding left and right in the mud, yet we would sleep soundly at night. Is it the modern family foods that preexposes the children to a miriad of diseases or what else? First; I doubt you are the right person to judge how frequently you and your school mates used to fall sick - you being the subject of investigation and also the investigator! Perhaps you should check the class attendance register and find out the number of instances pupils missed school on account of being sick. Then compare the result with the present situation in the same school. Secondly; chances are that the infant mortality rate for children under five [pre-schoolers] was sky high - which years are we talking about? 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s? So those of you who made it to school-age (above 6 years) had already been naturally selected... you were people with strong disease-resistant bodies. It is one of those paradoxes that we have to contend with: the more medical care with give to infants, the more the "weaklings" we allow to survive...and the more the medical care we need for them as they grow older. Hence the apparent prevalence of myriads of diseases. There is a school of thought that says that the medical/health profession should be banned! It argues that doctors are weakening the human race by intervening and allowing weak genes to reproduce. Therefore, it will be only a matter of time before a critical mass of these "weaklings" is reached and then the human race will be eradicated from the face of the earth! Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/8/2008 Posts: 947
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Tebes wrote:Is it lifestyles, GMOs, or nutrition that makes the middle and upper middle class' children have so much medidical attention? During my lower primary school long time ago, we rarely fell sick. Yet we used to play in the rain, soaking ourselves deep in the waters, skidding left and right in the mud, yet we would sleep soundly at night. Is it the modern family foods that preexposes the children to a miriad of diseases or what else? mukiha wrote:First; I doubt you are the right person to judge how frequently you and your school mates used to fall sick - you being the subject of investigation and also the investigator! Perhaps you should check the class attendance register and find out the number of instances pupils missed school on account of being sick. Then compare the result with the present situation in the same school. Very correct but to make his study more accurate he would require to follow up a cohort of this children before and after GM food or medical care for that matter. Using class attendance only can lead to censoring. mukiha wrote:Secondly; chances are that the infant mortality rate for children under five [pre-schoolers] was sky high - which years are we talking about? 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s?
So those of you who made it to school-age (above 6 years) had already been naturally selected... you were people with strong disease-resistant bodies.
It is one of those paradoxes that we have to contend with: the more medical care with give to infants, the more the "weaklings" we allow to survive...and the more the medical care we need for them as they grow older. Hence the apparent prevalence of myriads of diseases. That is a very scientific way, and some may say a Nazi way, of thinking but very correct. When average life expectancy was 40 you would not grow old enough to develop alzheimers cancers and other degenerative diseases. With improved life expectancy we now grow old enough to develop all this diseases which are more expensive to treat. mukiha wrote:There is a school of thought that says that the medical/health profession should be banned! It argues that doctors are weakening the human race by intervening and allowing weak genes to reproduce. Therefore, it will be only a matter of time before a critical mass of these "weaklings" is reached and then the human race will be eradicated from the face of the earth! I think Tebes has learnt his lesson we do not have to ban the medical profession!
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@ Burining Spear and Tony Stark, I have enjoyed all the information given by both of you. It is not a matter of who is better than the other. Each has their own pursuations and there is nothing wrong with that. All professions have it, Medicine, accounting, teaching etc. Live and let live. I Think Therefore I Am
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