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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/11/2010 Posts: 918
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Good people, which between a 10 year old Beamer and a 7 year old Toyota sedan is a better buy? Specifically, I am comparing BMW 318i (2001) to Toyota Premio 1.8L (2004). From what I have gathered from several websites and personal contacts both are about similarly priced at approximately KES 1,000,000, give or take. Consumer reviews from real owners will be highly appreciated. Learn first to treat your time as you would your money, then treat your money as you do your time.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/27/2008 Posts: 3,760
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3 year difference isn't much. Whats the mileage and use of both? From a safety point of view, a Beamer ni mabati na Toyota ni plastic.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/11/2010 Posts: 918
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It's not two specific cars I am comparing so I want to hold most of the other things constant. It's more like an inquiry into the paradox of why the average Kenyan prefers a "new" Toyota to a "slightly older" Beamer. That looks like a paradox to me. From all the reviews I read, Beamers look like fine enough cars. Solid, safe and fast. And they require less baby-sitting too (read servicing at wider intervals). So let's assume a proportionate mileage of 70,000km for the Premio and 100,000km for the Beamer. By the way I am partial to Beamers so you are right if you are reading bias in my words. But then again, I want to take an informed position. Learn first to treat your time as you would your money, then treat your money as you do your time.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 1,558 Location: Nairobi
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Hi,
ive owned both, got rid of the premio on the first month.
BMW e46 -sheer driving pleasure. Its the definition of driving not even the merc of 2005 came close -great on fuel used to give me 12.5-13.5 kms per litre -service the car every 20,000kms which used to cost 13,000 @auto bavaria -its a good solid car with adequate safety also had all the bells and.whistles, u cant even compare the premio to this german machine -cobs was only one--if it develops an electrical issue, it can get quite niggly and expensive to fix, i didnt.have such an issue on my car however i had a friend.that had really disturbed him, this issue might have been exaggerated by the fact that he used alot of juakali mechanics.on his car. -not a hot cake with the car jackers unlike the toyota Premio -feels almost paper weight as compared to the 3 series -not fun.to drive at all, felt very uncoordinated as compared to the 3 after a while of driving the two u get really fed up driving.the.premio - the 1.8 litre version struggles on fuel economy. Barely managed 11kns per litre - very poor quality material both inside and outside the car feels very cheap - it has a very low tolerance to our roads and the parts give up way too often - jackers love this car -service at every 5000kms which costs around 4000 per service
if u can, get the 2003 onwards 316. They go for around 1.1m or thereabouts , they are the facelift versions and i have a 2005 which gives me 14.8kms to the litre of urban driving. Fantastic cars
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/18/2008 Posts: 377
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Spot on Horton. Nothing to compare between the two. Life is about choices and so are vehicles. It all depends on what one wants. If you think safety on the road and from car jackers, then beamer provides all the solutions. If you think cheap (short run but expensive cumulatively timewise and money) then Premio is the way to go. "You've never lived until you've almost died; for those who have fought for it, life has a flavour the protected will never know."
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/11/2010 Posts: 918
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Thank you very much, Horton. Just what I was looking for. Some will say just what I wanted to hear! I am saving up for a car in about a year's time so I am mostly just looking around for a good one so I don't make a mistake then. I hope by 2012 I can get the '03 model for a good price. Maybe even a '04. Any one out there with a good thing to say for the Premio? Learn first to treat your time as you would your money, then treat your money as you do your time.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Also consider that the toyo you will be able to import whereas the age limit will mean you buy the beamer already used on kenyan roads. ....one year is a long time, better offers may still come your way as time goes!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/27/2011 Posts: 518
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seppuku wrote:... Any one out there with a good thing to say for the Premio? If you come from mashinani towns then it makes better sense to take the premio. Strictly from a maintenance view point, getting parts would be a headache as would be getting a BMW mechanic. You would either have to send someone to tafuta in Nai or if complicated, "import " a specialist mech or if worse came to worst tow the car. As for performace and everything else, I think the premio gets the no. 2 slot.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/25/2008 Posts: 192 Location: Nairobi
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Horton wrote:Hi,
-service the car every 20,000kms which used to cost 13,000 @auto bavaria
I have asked this before and will ask again. Which oil brand can stand 20K Kms of normal driving? Am not a Toyota advocate but I want to dispel the theory that European cars have a longer service interval compared to Jap cars. Service interval is dependent on driving condition (heat, dust), Oil used, plugs, filters and air elements. For the record, no car manufacturer makes these items; they are outsorced from OEM manufacturers eg Bosch, Valeo, Marrelli etc. If I put a Bosch plug to a Toyota, will it give me less mileage than it would if I put it in a Beamer? The reason why Toyota have shorter service intervals is because of the quality of parts. Itari muting'oe ihuragwo ngi ni Ngai
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Rank: Member Joined: 5/2/2007 Posts: 536
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milken wrote:Horton wrote:Hi,
-service the car every 20,000kms which used to cost 13,000 @auto bavaria
I have asked this before and will ask again. Which oil brand can stand 20K Kms of normal driving? Am not a Toyota advocate but I want to dispel the theory that European cars have a longer service interval compared to Jap cars. Service interval is dependent on driving condition (heat, dust), Oil used, plugs, filters and air elements. For the record, no car manufacturer makes these items; they are outsorced from OEM manufacturers eg Bosch, Valeo, Marrelli etc. If I put a Bosch plug to a Toyota, will it give me less mileage than it would if I put it in a Beamer? The reason why Toyota have shorter service intervals is because of the quality of parts. Here's a discussion on the same. http://forums.bimmerforu...showthread.php?t=409383
I would err on the side of caution regarding oil changes though synthetic oil is meant to last one 2x or 3x longer -- I prefer the older premio to the newer one (apart from the G 2.0L which has a CVT). BMW with regular maintenance would be perfect :)
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