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70 Constituencies reserved for Women????
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:50:40 PM
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Impunity wrote:
Conwonanship.
Nktest.
Will not see the light of the day.


It will.
It has.
iko kwa katiba
(I mean women's participation - not the conwomanship - there are mechanisms for dealing with bad leaders).

Jaina
I’m also not so sure there is a relationship.
But I’m not so sure there isnt. Opinions on the matter are split. Most of the countries at the top of that list are doing better than fine. facilitating environment maybe - it shows they are open
Someone should research this stuff.

You might want to look at this: (needs time though).
http://www.boell.or.ke/d...in_Leadership_Study.pdf


Intelligensia, there are several more women who would qualify for that list including several monarchs e.g. catherine the Great, Queen Mary (aka bloody Mary) and several more recent female leaders - thatcher (falklands war), Golda Mier (Israel/Palestine conflict)and so on. Everyone in power will make an unpopular or plainly bad decision at some point - it comes with the territory. Granted, it can argued that women in power behave exactly the same as men in power – but a more participatory system allows for more ideas, solutions, perspectives etc making it better for everyone all round.

PLUS Article 100 of the Constitution requires Parliament to enact legislation to promote representation in Parliament of women, persons with disabilities, youth, ethnic and other minorities and marginalized communities.

But trust me, the debate will zero in on women, ethnic and other minorities and marginalized communities.

Impunity
#12 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2011 12:58:25 PM
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Whay cant women just fight for the positions and win them?just like Madam Martha Karua....why do they need special arrangement?
I thought we are all equal...or less from now on I will take women to be inferior to the male species.
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mukiha
#13 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:17:02 PM
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Constitution of Kenya 2010, says:

Article 27
(6) To give full effect to the realisation of the rights guaranteed under this Article, the State shall take legislative and other measures, including
affirmative action programmes and policies designed to redress any disadvantage suffered by individuals or groups because of past
discrimination.
(7) Any measure taken under clause (6) shall adequately provide for any benefits to be on the basis of genuine need.
(8) In addition to the measures contemplated in clause (6), the State shall take legislative and other measures to implement the principle that not
more than two-thirds of the members of elective or appointive bodies shall be of the same gender.

Article 81. The electoral system shall comply with the following principles -
(a) freedom of citizens to exercise their political rights under Article 38;
(b) not more than two-thirds of the members of elective public bodies shall be of the same gender;

Article 97 (1) The National Assembly consists of —
(a) two hundred and ninety members, each elected by the registered voters of single member constituencies;
(b) forty-seven women, each elected by the registered voters of the counties, each county constituting a single member constituency;
(c) twelve members nominated by parliamentary political parties according to their proportion of members of the National Assembly in accordance with Article 90, to represent special interests including the youth, persons with disabilities and workers; and
(d) the Speaker, who is an ex officio member.

(2) Nothing in this Article shall be construed as excluding any person from contesting an election under clause (1) (a).
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#14 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:25:13 PM
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Impunity wrote:
Whay cant women just fight for the positions and win them?just like Madam Martha Karua....why do they need special arrangement?
I thought we are all equal...or less from now on I will take women to be inferior to the male species.


That discussion was exhausted BEFORE passing the constitution. It was concluded that women need affirmative action.

The question now is how to implement this following the constitution.
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mukiha
#15 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:26:58 PM
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mukiha wrote:
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#16 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:40:50 PM
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This katiba is like marriage, once you are in it you be ready for the good and the bad. No turning back. Truth be told, this is bad and it will easily end up in the supreme court. I can imagine at the next elections having my ballot paper filled with female names just because the lot fell on my constituency.
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#17 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:52:23 PM
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Mukiha, you asked the relvant question: how to implement it. I’m sure we are going to experience some trial and error before we get it right.
In some electoral systems, the political parties give lists of their candidates. Voters then vote for the list (not the individual). Good thing about this is it forces voters to really scrutinize the issues / party’s agenda instead of personalizing the campaign process. Each party is then allocated seats proportional to the number of votes received (with an interesting variation of formulas to work this out). I think such a list would have already factored in the gender/minority reps for it to be acceptable.
However, there is no country that has devised the “perfect” system for ensuring that govt. is representative.
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#18 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2011 1:54:52 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
This katiba is like marriage, once you are in it you be ready for the good and the bad. No turning back. Truth be told, this is bad and it will easily end up in the supreme court. I can imagine at the next elections having my ballot paper filled with female names just because the lot fell on my constituency.


You object to being associated with the female type? smile smile
How about a list with four or five sonko like characters?
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#19 Posted : Wednesday, July 13, 2011 2:01:57 PM
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mutashangaa in this new constitution "MAN" is discriminated upon, when it comes to public services...
Quote:

All State organs and all public officers have the duty to
address the needs of vulnerable groups within society,
including women, older members of society, persons with
disabilities, children, youth, members of minority or
marginalised communities, and members of particular ethnic,
religious or cultural communities.
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