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Copa America: Messi is failing again
mwenza
#21 Posted : Friday, July 08, 2011 12:18:48 PM
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TAZ wrote:
@ Mwenza....Wacha mambo ya what you used to hear, Maradona might have been a good player but unfortunately i can't lie to you that i used to watch him play in the 80's, hizo siku TV ilikuwa shida kupata...labda recorded clips. The 90's (especially at Napoli) was all about his stories with cocaine and other bad news. Messi has been at Barca since he was 16, i don't think i need to remind anyone of his achievements there...we can't possibly tell how he'll perform in another club because at the moment its very difficult to put a price tag on him.

The guy has only featured in 2 World Cups; in 2006 alikuwa bench but when brought in he scored a goal and also became the youngest Argentine player to ever represent the country in a WC. Actually if you look at his stats for the National team he's been mostly used as a sub. In 2007 Copa America he scored in almost all matches and helped Argentina reach the final...2008 he literally won the Olympics for them. In last year's WC he was Argentina's playmaker and was almost at the centre of all their goals. At the moment he's almost at Par with great Maradona but he still has so many years ahead of him.

@ Mc Reggae....Zidane is also up there with the greats.



@TAZ............Can tell you for a fact that I watched, in real time, Maradona tearing England apart at the WC.
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TAZ
#22 Posted : Friday, July 08, 2011 12:38:37 PM
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@ Mwenza....I apologise for assuming that you didn't get a chance to watch the 1986 World Cup in real time.
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#23 Posted : Friday, July 08, 2011 12:46:47 PM
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TAZ wrote:
@ Mwenza....I apologise for assuming that you didn't get a chance to watch the 1986 World Cup in real time.


i didnt watch that tournament too but i am very informed about what happened. just like we quote the 6os world cup yet most of us were nowhere on the radar.
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Jus Blazin
#24 Posted : Friday, July 08, 2011 12:46:51 PM
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@Taz, read your history again. Maradona's time at Napoli led to them winning their only two Seria A titles, Coppa Italia, UEFA Cup. He singlehandedly led his mediocre team to their most successful period, in addition to leading Argentina to the world cup trophy in 1986 and becoming the tournament's MVP. Wachana na mambo ati it was all about drugs.

Messi seems reliant on Xavi and Iniesta, that's why he cannot replicate Maradona's feats. Messi has yet to prove his international appeal. He has to prove he can singlehandedly be counted upon just like Pele and Maradona, the greatest among the greats. He has time now, but bado hajafika.
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TAZ
#25 Posted : Friday, July 08, 2011 1:19:27 PM
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@ Jus Blazin....Sijakataa maradona won trophies while at Napoli but that was the same time story za cocaine came up, anyway my point is that the Barca player has what it takes to reach the same levels as pele and the rest. I always take time to watch La Liga and i must say that Messi performs with or without Xavi and Iniesta. In the Real/Barca Cl match it was all individual talent, no support or assist from anyone. If only we could get to see him playing for another club but we know that's not about to happen. Why are you comparing someone who's 24 yrs Old still achieving to players who have already retired? We should be discussing who's better than him now...

@ Sober, the thing is in my time watching football (from akina Klinsmann, Stoichkov, Matheus, Bebeto, Romario, Ronaldo, Suker etc) i've not seen anyone better with the ball than Messi....Zidane maybe.
Jus Blazin
#26 Posted : Friday, July 08, 2011 4:43:07 PM
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Taz, the same comparison was done between Pele and Maradona, yet they played decades apart.
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#27 Posted : Friday, July 08, 2011 10:35:37 PM
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#28 Posted : Monday, July 11, 2011 8:45:49 AM
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I think the link below sums up the debate pretty well...

http://www.goal.com/en-g...-argentina-why-lifeless
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#29 Posted : Monday, July 11, 2011 9:24:28 AM
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"With Argentina, the element of doubt will always be there - can you match Maradona? Can you win the World Cup? You can never be the best until you do, they so often tell him."
"What the player himself must be considering, and what the rest of the world is thinking, is: Can Messi truly join the pantheon of greats with such indecisive outings in the colours of his country? After all, that's how the Pele and Maradona debate derived in the first place."
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McReggae
#30 Posted : Monday, July 11, 2011 9:44:18 AM
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The pressure on this young man is just too much!!!!!

BUBBLING OVER

Lionel Messi frozen out by Argentina team-mates

By Tim Sturtridge & Alejandro Pérez in Cordoba

The deep freeze in the Argentinian dressing room makes the sub-zero temperatures at the 2011 Copa America seem positively tropical. With just two points to show after meetings with Bolivia and Colombia the cracks are being to show in Sergio Batista’s squad of explosive egos.

A locker room dust-up between Lionel Messi and defender Nicolás Burdisso has the host nation’s press in a frenzy. Burdisso is believed to have confronted Messi after the attacker put in yet another below par performance for his country. Burdisso told Messi in no uncertain terms to pull his finger out. When the Barcelona star reacted to the comment team-mates had to separate the pair.

Messi will be itching to set the record straight in Argentina’s final group match against Costa Rica. A hat-trick from the number ten is priced at 15.00 with paf.com. With Messi coming in for abuse from all sides in Argentina it took the player’s father to speak out in his defence.

Jorge Messi revealed the forlorn figure Messi has been cutting whilst wearing the Argentinian shirt extends beyond the pitch. “I’ve never seen Leo like this, he feels beaten. Just a few weeks ago there was so much enthusiasm in the country about the Copa America. Now it’s turned into one big slap in the face for Leo.”

Jorge has a particular issue with the constant comparisons with Diego Maradona that his son has levelled at him. “People criticise Leo for not singing the national anthem but they forget that he turned down the chance to play for Spain. Leo doesn’t have to prove his passion for his country to anyone.”

Messi’s father also had an answer for the fans that can’t understand why the player who turns up for Barcelona disappears when he pulls on the blue and white stripes. “It’s foolish to compare Leo’s play with Barcelona with his performances for the national team. Barcelona are reaping the rewards of work that has been going on for years. Argentina is a team just looking for stability at this moment.

While Messi and Burdisso were going at it hammer and tongs after the Colombia game it’s also believed that a dust-up occurred between Javier Zanetti and Carlos Tevez. Staff at Colón de Santa Fe’s stadium now have their work cut out to repair the home dressing room in time for Colombia’s meeting with Bolivia on Sunday.
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