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IDP
#11 Posted : Friday, July 08, 2011 11:43:36 AM
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Somebody who knows how to make layers mash should organize a seminar and teach farmers - for a fee of course.
Gathige
#12 Posted : Friday, July 08, 2011 12:22:26 PM
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@IDP,

Feed making may not be feasible as a project for individual small scale farmers. The best they can do is form a group and then set up a feed mill so as to enjoy economies of scale. They can then invest in a mill grinder, mixer, necessary mix-ratios of all the inputs and they are home and dry!
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
Plentyresources
#13 Posted : Friday, July 08, 2011 1:22:16 PM
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Hi All

Count me in, i have a oil crushing machine and the byproduct is protein rich feeds (sunflower seed cake/cotton cake etc)

I also know places where bulk protein cakes can be gotten at a cheap price. I hear some kenyan ingredients are mixed with other substances eg sand thus if you use the products, your real protein concentration will be wrong from the word go.....

Wise men Change their mind Fools Dont
PATTIE
#14 Posted : Friday, July 08, 2011 1:58:13 PM
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@ Gathige
i requested you for the feed formultion to no avail.
please share with us for the chicken,.
Njung'e
#15 Posted : Friday, July 08, 2011 2:03:46 PM
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keke2 wrote:
TD wrote:
@keke2

Mayai mbili kwa siku? Hiyo nimeishuku. Ile miaka yote nimelea kuku wanachomoa at best once a day, mostly 3 eggs in 4 days. My vet told me that in controlled condition some breeds could lay 325 eggs in a year. Ama yako ni ile "golden goose" ya hadithi za babu?

@ TD
I thought I missed to enter my kukus in the guinness bookLaughing out loudly until I read from other farmers in Google who have experience/d the same..!
Young Freerange layers when happy can surprise.


For all my ignorance,freerange is kienyeji chickens?
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
Gathige
#16 Posted : Friday, July 08, 2011 2:40:59 PM
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@ PATTIE,

I will share it soon. Am out of the country at the moment and once am back end of this month will do so hopefully on this forum.

"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
Hunderwear
#17 Posted : Friday, July 08, 2011 6:13:59 PM
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Gathige wrote:
@ Hundewear, i tried this biz and was dealing with broilers some 5 years ago and after one year, i stopped doing it. Below were the challenges i faced,

1. Sourcing the chicks- The first set of chicks was easy to get and thereafter i had to make bookings before i could get them. Some times i could get sometimes i could miss and this disrupted my supply of the broilers. My lesson learnt was to be very careful where to get a regular source of chicks from. Big companies promise to deliver but fail to honor promises

2. Feed. Apart from pricing, quality of the feed is an issue. Some feeds are so poor you feed them to the chicks and add no weight. I was finally able to get a vet doc who was making feeds and his feed were the best as they guaranteed weight gain within the period time. My lesson learnt was to be careful to get the right feeds. When i get back to this biz i will make own feeds as it is a simple process once u have the right formulation

3. MARKETING. This was my worst nighmare. I had to deal with brokers, fish and chips shops in town and at times sell at City Market. My lesson learnt was to be sure of the market before u start to avoid burning your money literally. Firm orders, an outlet to sell in small lots (in kgs) etc would work best.

4. Disease. I was lucky a vet doc friend of mine was advising me on drugs and hygiene. Disease control is important as an outbreak can clear a stock. There are very may shops selling substandard animal drugs and one need to be sure that the product used actually works. My lesson learnt was to get a good vet doc to advise before you buy and administer drugs, some of which can be harmful to consumers if not well administered.

I learnt my lesson and since i still have my structure and equipment, i plan to do it later in life when i can dedicate my time full time and i am sure i will make money.

My 2 cents

The busines is stil challenging esp now but I foresee great trmes ahead.Almost everybody has sold their stock n this wil create a very bid dap between demand and supply of eggs.Last year hatchery companies had very many pending orders running into atleast 6 months but today my dealer tels me I can have the chicks in 2-3 weeks.Feeds remain an issue todate as even the reputable companies have been compromising on quality even as they increase prices.Some millers however wil take responsibilities when you complain early by exchangn the poor quality lot.As for the market there are brokers who always hav market but wont gve a fair price.I have at least 3 brokers and only gve the highest bidder.Having many trays helps to hoard as I wait for a fair price..Every hatchery got its recommended vaccination and its very important tn follow the prescription to the letter.They also got a vet who should advice on where to get good medcine.
Stealth
#18 Posted : Friday, July 08, 2011 7:45:49 PM
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@ njung'e - freerange chicken is the kukus you let fend 4 themselves on open grounds, mostly kienyeji but u can also keep the kuku mzungu as freerange albeit with a few more challenges than the local. I.e the mzungu is more susceptible to diseases than the local but with good planning - regularly administering meds - they do fine.
Stealth
#19 Posted : Friday, July 08, 2011 7:50:52 PM
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@ Plentyresources
Got a few questions for you.
where is your oil mill located? What is the amount of production of the cakes, say per week? What is your current price per product per kg or ton?
you can hit me up on ke.stealth (at) gmail dot com
waiting.
keke2
#20 Posted : Saturday, July 09, 2011 3:17:59 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
keke2 wrote:
TD wrote:
@keke2

Mayai mbili kwa siku? Hiyo nimeishuku. Ile miaka yote nimelea kuku wanachomoa at best once a day, mostly 3 eggs in 4 days. My vet told me that in controlled condition some breeds could lay 325 eggs in a year. Ama yako ni ile "golden goose" ya hadithi za babu?

@ TD
I thought I missed to enter my kukus in the guinness bookLaughing out loudly until I read from other farmers in Google who have experience/d the same..!
Young Freerange layers when happy can surprise.


For all my ignorance,freerange is kienyeji chickens?


@ Guka,yes.You can confine them the Kenchic way but provide the what they usually eat while roaming.including insect/worms if you can trap themSad
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