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Kausha
#41 Posted : Thursday, October 08, 2009 6:56:00 AM
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Chap you are mad,hedge loss when fuel is USD 70 and headed back to 60??? triple 7 in the sky what is the load factor?
Much Know
#42 Posted : Thursday, October 08, 2009 7:12:00 AM
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The issue of giving the passenger who misses the flight 300USD is very simple logic,it is also an IATA regulation for overbooked flights. I also once worked with an aviation firm so i know what i am saying

Overbooking is not a negative in commercial aviation but rather a plus.

I will not get involved in the calculus of how bookings are managed but just challenge yourself with the following questions

1. Which is the larger cost,10 empty seats (400USD)when you try to control bookings or refund 5 guys 300USD on an overbooked flight.
2. If you give the customer 300USD and a flight the next day,you have a happy customer who thinks he has gained a 'free 300USD' and hotel room.
3. If you gaurantee the guys a flight the next day,you will bump of a closely similar new group the next and so on till you get to the point where there is space in the plane.

If you find you are sustaining this pattern often,you are in business

Finally ask yourself,why would a carrier overbook in the first place?

I am a general consultant,specializing in all areas.
Meru Holiness
Pierce
#43 Posted : Thursday, October 08, 2009 7:22:00 AM
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Kausha,

Don't embarrass me. I've even 'allowed' you to google fuel prices trends in the last 6 months!!

Don't say you were never told!!
Pierce
#44 Posted : Thursday, October 08, 2009 7:22:00 AM
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By the way....ever heard of the World Cup South Africa 2010??
McReggae
#45 Posted : Thursday, October 08, 2009 8:46:00 AM
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Kausha,talking of KQ's loss,man dat was comprehensively discussed here at SK,just do a search n get uaself taught! I cant repeat all dat stuff! Any oil price above da price wen da results were declared means a positive entry into Kq's book! I probably got the report before yu!

The chief value of money lies in the fact that one lives in a world in which it is overestimated.
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
itz
#46 Posted : Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:09:00 PM
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@kausha.

here is a proper report on KQ.they made their firs loss in 13 years because of poor/ wrong hedging on fuel prices.this will continue being their biggest operating expense as the years move by and with more competition expected the profit margins will get tighter and tighter.see u in 5 yrs and let me know what u think about airlines then.please dont show your ignorance on this forum.



http://markets.nairobist...huge-fuel-hedging-loss/
Kausha
#47 Posted : Friday, October 09, 2009 3:00:00 PM
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itz and mcrege

I can see you two are brainwashed kq staffers. Itz i can lecture you on airlines including boeing and airbus operations! KQ is not the first airline to hedge fuel,previously,managent went around gloating how they had saved money and created shareholder value by puting in place good fuel hedges. So i wonder why you buy into that rubbish on current hedges being bad luck? I told you management and BOD of airlines have a few key KPI's among these are fly sound planes and ensure safe,timely and comfortable flights for passengers,contain the cost of fuels using any tools available and lastly create shareholder wealth. So go figure.....and your very makaratas article written by some lazy and ill schooled journo is not worth reading...

What you are telling me is that Adan and his BOD should go and tell their shareholders that they made losses lending due to huge provisions made which they had no control off because their otherwise great custos suffered from the downturn of the economy and couldn't make good their repayments. What do you think would happen to the whole lot of them?

You two are being mentally lazy by excusing Kq management's f*** ups. A few years ago the then SAA CEO and BOD had to walk for having hedged the rand against the $ a few years earlier and the hedge having gone bad costing the airline a write of ZAR 5 billion......airlines are involved in hedging fuel. Its part of their job. Large agric exporters in the country are always required to hedge receivables currency,produce price at times. NMG hedges its newspaper print as well. So KQ is not the first company to use derivatives..look fuel will close below $65 next year so don't expect the hedge losses booked to unwind....fuel will remain range bound around $65 for a couple of years and woe unto you if it dips below $60 coz it just means more losses being recognized. That nonsensical optimism is what led your BOD to go putting in place mediocre hedges above $110. Please answer this,tell us how many airlines hedged fuel above $110.
itz
#48 Posted : Friday, October 09, 2009 5:07:00 PM
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@kausha
whats your point? only morons make assumptions before knowing facts.am in no way involved in KQ and my point was that generally airlines are terrible long term investments but can be good short term trades for as long as they can hedge fuel prices right; due to this being their highest operating costs.am not trying to outshine you on knowledge about the airline industry.
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