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festom
#21 Posted : Thursday, April 23, 2009 1:42:00 PM
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@Ric dees

Are you trying to tell us that you can modify planes to increase their capacity once they leave their manufacturers? Which Jua kali fundis do they employ to do this? Hehehehe.

Correct me if i'm wrong,The specs of the plane you want are given to the manufacturers before the construction is done.

Airlines make upto 40% markup on their cost. so imagine how much money they make when they fly a full plane!

Having paid 400 pounds apprx Ksh48,000 and got a refund of 300 dollars approx Ksh24,000 they ended up charging you 50% of the fare. Believe me KQ is making More money /plane than Emirates.

Last yr Kq made Ksh 5 Billion with 22planes as opposed to Emirates Ksh13.5 billion with 121 planes



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Ric dees
#22 Posted : Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:04:00 PM
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@ Mukiha

Finally some sanity..an explanation that makes sense..cheers.

Mcreggae

Where do i start..when Boeng were developing the 777 futher..which was the crsoo between 747 and 767..they needed to factor in advanteges of both career..eg 747 carries more lbs and 767..uses less fuel travels futher.

If you look at the fuselage of 777,its being designed to be very lean to minimise drag..with a high payload,and travels futher without refueling hence the LR range. How does one achieve this..? To travel futher one you need a bigger fuel tank..come the wing flaps..which serves two purposes..for navigation and as an extra fuel tank..then there is fly-by-wire and configuration of the hold. Also to note futher to this Boeing has/had developed the 777 series with a retractable wings to allow them to park in small airports next to smaller careers,but however to one has shown interest on this ...next question.

You talk of a 777F this is laughable..but sample this..Emirates will gladly leave your baggage if they have a big 'LOAD' esp travelling to and from Far east and ship it to you late..

@ That other guy..sina la kusema.



Heart is what separates the good from the great - Micheal Jordan.

The greatest danger in times of turbulence is not the turbulence; it is to act with yesterday's logic.
meow
#23 Posted : Thursday, April 23, 2009 2:38:00 PM
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Am amazed this @Ric Dees guy is more informed than all the lame ducks and duckettes who initially hopelessly opened their mouths hear (earlier).I have above average info about airplanes and the industry,but this guy Ric Dees is well informed about this industry.

Cheers Ric Dees...........
simonkabz
#24 Posted : Thursday, April 23, 2009 4:22:00 PM
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@ ric,nimebow down. I know smart guys when I see them,kaa kali bro! Now onto the 777 with Variable Geometry wings,thats new. And for parking purposes only?? (btw...VG like the F14 or folding like the naval Mig29?)

Truest proverb: Mwenda pole hajikwai
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
VituVingiSana
#25 Posted : Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:30:00 PM
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I was reading up on planes... and Wikipedia has great info on the various aircraft and their specifications...

As for KQ... it is true they have not made a loss for 10 years (on an annual basis) & it remains one of the few airlines (expected) to be profitable in 2009.

I think the 2008-9 results will be much better than what journalists/analysts have been predicting.

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#26 Posted : Thursday, April 23, 2009 9:38:00 PM
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KQ lost money on you. Between the $300 (cash) & the $70 Panari room + transport. BUT how was the 2nd flight (the one you got on)? Was it full?

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Goals
#27 Posted : Friday, April 24, 2009 7:11:00 AM
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This is the opportunity cost of retaining you as a customer. could be they used a smaller aircraft hence the numbers. its gain or loss depending on situation,think of guys going for biz or interviews.

I can teach anybody how to get whatever they want out of life. The problem is that I can't find anybody who can tell me what they want.' Mark Twain
VituVingiSana
#28 Posted : Friday, April 24, 2009 9:02:00 AM
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The Airline business is complex... Do you fly a 767 or a 777... and this is BEFORE you know how many passengers you know you will have... Then there are the no-shows... and fuel prices... and taxes...

*** The GBP400 tix was a bargain...
*** The $300-500 payment might be a good deal for KQ if they were able to sell other tickets at higher prices to those who HAD to be in London...

*** I was surprised at the 70-80 'extra' passengers coz that is way over-booked... 25% on a 777 (322 pax capacity)

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ric dees
#29 Posted : Friday, April 24, 2009 10:16:00 AM
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@ VVS

True this is a very complex business with so many variables and you mentioned some..that said..I understand airlines cannot book more than 10% of the capacity and this is what was baffling me and..i understand how they might make money but i wanted to hear different ideas..As somebody asked / mentioned the flight i got into was fully booked and again some people were left and their in lies my querry..how are they able to make money under this circumstances and the present economic climate..but now i guess it's much clearer...

@SimonKabbz

Interesting you mention the F14 Tomcat and though am not sure but this is where they got the design from albeit for different purposes..the F14 most notable use of the retractable wing is during flight incorporating high Mach numbers,and this helps in dogfights as opposed to 777..but i don't think they are outdone on this..only time will tell they might just convince some Middle east carrier it's usefulness..

On a different note the Emirates A380 is a design marvel...during night flights ..if you look at the top of the fuselage you will be forgiven to think you are looking at the sky coz all you can see is the stars..and in the morning one is awoken by birds.singing/ chirps .like in jungle..awesome..





Heart is what separates the good from the great - Micheal Jordan.

The greatest danger in times of turbulence is not the turbulence; it is to act with yesterday's logic.
Jaymiggy
#30 Posted : Friday, April 24, 2009 11:38:00 AM
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For a record guys,the 10% is just a guideline,not a rule!! some routes have statistically recorded &gt;40% NoShow rate. And one more thing,KQ is not in the cargo business yet,hence they concentrate on passenger transport which constitutes more than 75% of their revenue and more importantly their budget.

Emirates is a great Airline,and they are prestigius to say the least. But KQ makes money,profits. Thats what matters to them since KQ is a public owned company as oppossed to Emirates.
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