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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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Is this thread an attempt to explain why men cheat? I am no expert in the Bible or Anthropology. I know this, it is not fair to go sleeping with other women when you have committed yourself to one (by church or legal marriage) - if you do, you are being cruel to your wife. If you feel monogamy is unnatural, tell your wife/fiancee from the very first, (and see if she will agree to get into that union). What men want is to get a wife, and since no sensible modern woman will agree to a polygamous arrangement, we go down the monogamy route with its strictly binding terms, then midway somewhere, we expect women to understand and forgive away quietly if we develop a roving eye, foisting upon them arguments such as 'monogamy is not natural' and 'men are visual animals'. No one will stop you from cheating, its a free country, but if you do, its cause of a moral character fault and inability to keep promises. It really is that simple.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/22/2011 Posts: 322 Location: Chicago, IL, USA
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@quicksand, It's not cheating if you are up front and honest that you will seek more than one wife. In addition, you have no basis to say that a sensible modern woman will not accept the arrangement. Are you saying that Jacob Zuma's wives, along with the wives of other leaders, including ones in Kenya, are not sensible? What makes a monogamous person, with the very high modern divorce and infidelity rates, any more or less "sensible"? And, does your own personal fortune and value of your estate equal or exceed that of, say, Akuku Danger, who clearly gained economic strength and success from his marital arrangement?
Why can't you make your arguments without taking a personal shot at the "sensibility" of women who are in polygamous relationships?
Best,
Hill
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/5/2010 Posts: 2,061 Location: Nairobi
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@jasonhill: I agree with you on being honest upfront. If you read my post again, you'll see I wrote "If you feel monogamy is unnatural, tell your wife/fiancee from the very first". My problem is when it starts as a monogamy in the understanding of the man and the woman, then the man marries other wives. In most of the cases of current polygamous families, the guy most likely didn't tell the first wife he will take other wives;The first wife decides to live with it. On the modern sensible woman, perhaps I over-generalized. My mistake. You might just find a woman who can accept such an arrangement. Here in KE things are still a bit grounded. I would like to hear just one voice from a man who told his appropriately matched (ideal, no other factors such as money, the ticking biological clock etc etc) fiancee that he intends to be a polygamist (perhaps also told that council of ruracio), and succeeded to go on and marry that woman.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/22/2011 Posts: 322 Location: Chicago, IL, USA
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@quicksand, I agree with you that you must be honest and up front with your first wife. You have to tell her that you are an "old-school" guy that believes the bible, and will have his wives. That's only fair. I think that if you don't make this clear up front, or if you tell a woman this after you marry her, you shouldn't practice it without agreement from your first wife. It wouldn't be fair to her to not seek her permission on such a dramatic change in the marital arrangement.
If you are current and correct in your duties of being the spiritual leader in your home, not "outsourcing" the job to a local pastor, then it's a subject that you would have already broached, and she would have likely given her clear feelings on.
That's why it's important to study the bible and pray with your family- so that you can discuss it in a way that is most appropriate for you and your personal walk, and without the influence and agenda of others and their "denominations".
Whether that be denominations of shilling notes within the church, or denominations (divisions) of doctrine within the church.
Best,
Hill
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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The following book makes a very persuasive case to the effect that Monogamy is abnormal: Sex at Dawn: The Prehistoric Origins of Modern Sexuality by: Christopher Ryan & Cacilda Jethá According to the authors, polygamy is the default setting for....men and women, both. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 7/16/2011 Posts: 59
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Looking at the lives of polygamists one comes to one conclusion ,these men can only cherish one woman as their wife at any given time or probably in their lifetime. This is according to anthropologists such as Desmond Morris. 1.Take Solomon for starters He could only cherish one person out of his harem for him to write: Let thy fountain be blessed; And rejoice in the wife of thy youth. Proverbs 5:18 not wives.2.David ,probably Bathsheba. 3.Kenyatta -Mama Ngina Kenyatta (maybe) Monogamy predates christianity or western civilisation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monogamy
The bible clearly teaches against polygamy.It's the teachings that are importance not the nature of lives portrayed by the characters.Remember Jesus said: The disciples said to him, "If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry." Jesus replied, "Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given.
For some are eunuchs because they were born that way; others were made that way by men; and others have renounced marriage because of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it." Matt:19:10-12
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/22/2011 Posts: 322 Location: Chicago, IL, USA
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@scout_boy, you have not provided any biblical evidence at all that teaches against polygamy. In addition, you are making up dreams in your own mind about how you "feel" these men "felt" about their wives, when you really have no idea. If you are incapable of loving multiple women, then that is your issue, not that of other men.
Though it is a different form of love, one can love their children equally; one can love their wives equally. Sometimes one needs more attention than others.
If you look earlier in this thread, you can find several examples which I have provided that DO support polygamy, carried out by God's chosen men that were blessed BY GOD with wives.
The new testament came to fulfill the law, not to get rid of it. The essence of the new testament is that Christ shed blood for the remission of sin; the ransom has been paid for us; so where in the bible exactly does it do away with polygamy in favor of monogamy? This has nothing to do with remission of sin.
You would be well advised to do away with what some "man" or some "denomination" has told you, and work with what sayeth the Lord. A denomination or a man has no heaven or hell to put you in.
Please advise.
Best,
Hill
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 7/16/2011 Posts: 59
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JasonHill apart from the scriptures ,I posted a wikipedia link.I will advise polygamy would go against such fundamental concepts such as: 1.Adam and Eve became One Flesh 2.Christ comes for One Bride(Church) to become One and live forever(That is why also the church doesn't endorse divorces easily.)Thus ,if one finds himself already in a polygamous situation the Church cannot tell you to divorce. 3.The Father and The Son are One. Why did David and Solomon practice polygamy and were not condemned for their actions. IMHO,the last two revelations had not been clarified. In addition ,Jesus who came to fulfill the Law himself not necessarily his teachings. Though it is Quote: a different form of love, one can love their children equally; one can love their wives equally. Sometimes one needs more attention than others. Absolutely not true.African polygamists will have a bigger hut for the woman they actually cherish as their wife
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/23/2010 Posts: 868 Location: La Islas Galápagos
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Dia wrote:bkismat wrote:Are you sure Adam had only one wife? God created only one wife for Adam. In fact, when considering creating her, He said ' let us create a helper', not helpers. Am not so sure. The bible was not written in English A bad day fishing is better than a good day at work
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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StatMeister wrote:Dia wrote:bkismat wrote:Are you sure Adam had only one wife? God created only one wife for Adam. In fact, when considering creating her, He said ' let us create a helper', not helpers. Am not so sure. The bible was not written in English but the parts that suit your position r in English too!
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