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Is Monogamy Natural?
muganda
#41 Posted : Tuesday, June 14, 2011 10:56:33 PM
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@jasonhill good reasoning, but a few issues:

- By intellect, I referred to basic human reasoning not an intellectual
- Over 90% of our modern urban lives are inherited from Western way, including our current understanding of God
- Polygamy as a social issue is quite distinct from abortion or gayism.
- Monogamy is not synonymous with Western, nor Polygamy equal to African, as history shows.


So from a modern African culture, you are within your right to choose polygamy, presuming your spouses choose it to. It makes you more traditional, but definitely not more African.

jasonhill
#42 Posted : Wednesday, June 15, 2011 1:24:49 AM
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muganda wrote:
@jasonhill good reasoning, but a few issues:

- By intellect, I referred to basic human reasoning not an intellectual
- Over 90% of our modern urban lives are inherited from Western way, including our current understanding of God
- Polygamy as a social issue is quite distinct from abortion or gayism.
- Monogamy is not synonymous with Western, nor Polygamy equal to African, as history shows.


So from a modern African culture, you are within your right to choose polygamy, presuming your spouses choose it to. It makes you more traditional, but definitely not more African.



@Muganda, I agree with your statements here. There is nothing wrong or Western-leaning with monogamy if that's what one chooses- but there is a Western-slant if one denounces polygamy, because only Euro-culture and the agenda-leaning Euro-interpretations of religion has.

And polygamy isn't inherantly African. It's inherantly human.

I think that the 90% Western statement is especially important and key. We need to see what part of that 90% is serving us well, and what part isn't, we need to re-evaluate and either adjust to our needs or outright reject, without feeling any shame or shortcoming, without any explaination to, or exemption from, others.

This means setting our own destiny- good or bad, right or wrong, it should be OURS, without the side-line cheerleading and Monday-morning quarterbacking from organizations and nations that have their own interests at heart, and not ours. We welcome investment, NOT interference.

And this entire disussion thread is a major statement and movement into that direction.

You're right Muganda... it is dangerous. It's the rise.

But we are no longer afraid of heights.

Best,

Hill
Lolest!
#43 Posted : Wednesday, June 15, 2011 7:12:30 AM
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Polygamy and romantic love are incompatible.
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jasonhill
#44 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 11:36:08 AM
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Can anyone tell me the "proper" type of marriage to have in Kenya in order to avoid breaking the "Bigamy" laws? I heard that it is called a "customary" marriage and that you must not celebrate in a church or it converts to a "Christian" marriage. But "Christian" marriages cannot be converted to customary. That's punitive, in my opinion. It's wrong to not allow a Christian to celebrate their wedding in a church for fear of becoming a criminal if they choose to exercise their God-given right (and God-given request) to be fruitful and multiply.

Does such a law REALLY exist? And how has Katiba affected it?

It doesn't make much sense to me since Christianity does not in any way forbid polygamy (for non-deacons and non-bishops), but I respect the law, so if anyone has any knowledge about Kenyan family law, please speak up now, as one would like to avoid the same fate as that rich German guy that is in court as we speak over "bigamy" allegations, and, one would likely want to avoid stepping foot into a church on their wedding day, thus to avoid possible charges of criminality in the future.

And how does this apply to naturalized Kenyans from overseas?

Such a punitive violation of the right of an African man to BE a REAL African man is a perfect example of Western cultural holdovers that should be done away with and Africanized in the same fashion as the new CJ has done with the UK's judicial powdered wigs and robes- NOT FOR US.

Best,

Hill
dunkang
#45 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 11:53:47 AM
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Solomon had 700 official landing rights and another 300 for away matches. David saw it not to jump from the balcony but ordered Bethsheba, the wife of Uriah, be brought to him.



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Monogamy is not natural. Maybe we need to define nature: NATURE is everything that was not made by man.

So, since marriage was not made by man, but by God, then it is natural. But the question will be, Why didn't God specify how many men and women form a marriage (or did he, but the writers of the scripts chose to add/minus so as to favour themselves?).

My answer to this will be, assuming that he did not commit himself, NYAKUA WENYE WANAKUTOSHA. Have as many as you can service, and that's natural.

Or can we learn something from animals behaviours, so as we can try to understand God?
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jasonhill
#46 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 12:28:04 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Polygamy and romantic love are incompatible.


The are quite compatible, as long as you have impeccable timing.

Best,

Hill
sanity
#47 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 3:25:43 PM
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Despite all arguments to prove that Man is polygamous by nature,I think its all a matter of choice..man is different from other animals because he has the ability to make a choice.Its upto you to choose the kind of life you want.The bible and other religious books are guidelines.I am no supporter of Polygamy and I also know that the bible does support monogamy


Genesis 2:24..'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh...(note:wife not wifes)


Malachi 2:15..Didn't the LORD make you one with your wife? In body and spirit you are his. And what does he want? Godly children from your union. So guard your heart; remain loyal to the wife of your youth.(again note:wife not wifes)
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jasonhill
#48 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 3:50:10 PM
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sanity wrote:
Despite all arguments to prove that Man is polygamous by nature,I think its all a matter of choice..man is different from other animals because he has the ability to make a choice.Its upto you to choose the kind of life you want.The bible and other religious books are guidelines.I am no supporter of Polygamy and I also know that the bible does support monogamy


Genesis 2:24..'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh...(note:wife not wifes)


Malachi 2:15..Didn't the LORD make you one with your wife? In body and spirit you are his. And what does he want? Godly children from your union. So guard your heart; remain loyal to the wife of your youth.(again note:wife not wifes)


@Sanity, Then why did He give Men wives (plural), tell them to be fruitful and multiply, and why where His chosen, Godly men polygamists many times?

In Christianity, one has a choice either way, monogamy or polygamy, depending on whether it is appropriate- lawful and expedient for the person. The bible says directly that homosexuality, fornication, and adultery is wrong, among other things, and also shows examples of punishment for other sins, and it says this DIRECTLY and succinctly. It never said polygamy is wrong, and like I said, Godly men were given wives. You have given us a few verses out of context, instead of considering the whole bible and the overall instruction.

Until you can show me where it says that polygamy is sin or perversion and God's word condemns it, you have no case to condemn it- but if legalism works for you as an individual, so be it.

Best,

Hill

Ms Mkenya
#49 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 6:53:18 PM
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Monogamy is not natural i believe, but possible and that is one of the things that distinguishes us from animals. Self-control..
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KenyanLyrics
#50 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 10:52:24 PM
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Ms Mkenya wrote:
Monogamy is not natural i believe, but possible and that is one of the things that distinguishes us from animals. Self-control..

Ms Mkenya, let me ask you this: having admitted that you don't believe monogamy is natural, would you find it within yourself to forgive your man if he were to cheat on you with a woman who was undeniably more beautiful than yourself?
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