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smano
#51 Posted : Monday, June 27, 2011 4:16:52 PM
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Even as I support Man Utd, I hate English football overall and aspire, like any other fan, that my team can play like Barca one day. That's why despite arguing with Arsenal fans all the time, I don't mind the way their team plays (of course Barca play better and win trophies and that remains the big difference, hence the apsiration).SAF pointed to the fact that senior team coaches are allowed only minimal time with the youth team academies, hence the big disparity between the players coming from academies like La Masia and the one for Man Utd for example. Spain are starting to reap the gains of their philosophy and looks like they'll continue doing so for years to come (as @Taz has rightly pointed out). However, they'll still have to contend with the natural talent and skill of the Brazilians and Argentines who only need a good coach to put the pieces (Messi, Aguerro, Higuain, Alvarez,Pastorre,e.t.c) together before you get the most potent football team ever. In the meantime, Spain will continue dominating with their tika taka.

That aside, I still think 20M pounds was a bit too much for Phil Jones but when I look t the years he has ahead (probably 10+), then there'll probably be enough time for R.O.I.

Alexis Sanchez will probably join Barca (since he wants to go there despite Udinese holding out on a better bid from City)so am not really worried, we still need a big name player in the midfield so if Arsenal can't pay Nasri 110k pounds per week, he might as well come over. Wenger will get enough money from Cesc's sale to buy Alvarez and Juan Mata, whom they're linked with and if they sell Nasri, and other players, have enough for Samba, Cahill and an extra goalie. It's a no brainer for me.

EPL will be even more competitive if Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, City and Spurs get at least one of the players they want. Of course the holy grail is now to beat Barca to win the CL. We are not there yet, not by a mile!
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MaichBlack
#52 Posted : Monday, June 27, 2011 4:24:43 PM
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Sir Alex Ferguson has made a £15 million offer for Barcelona youngster Thiago Alcantara but "Barca are reluctant to sell to a Champions League rival so they are considering selling him to Arsenal..."

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smano
#53 Posted : Monday, June 27, 2011 4:38:19 PM
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Hehe, hata wakikataa kutuuzia bado tutakutana nao - hopefully we'll be MUCH better prepared than this last time.

I really hope we get 2 creative midfielders after the Copa America and I hope we are not bid out of contention, otherwise the best we can hope for is another premier league title or those other trophies. Barca will get better
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TAZ
#54 Posted : Monday, June 27, 2011 4:40:03 PM
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@ Maichblack....Which "rival" are you talking about, i hope you're not referring to the same team that was humiliated a month ago.

Arsenal wanted Thiago to be part of a swap deal that would see Cesc returning to Barca but the youngster declined, he doesn't want to leave Spain and i doubt Man Utd will convince him to do so.....section of Barca fans rate him higher than Cesc.

Btw, Barca pia si wajinga....ever since we pulled a fast one on them on Cesc they've been very cautious when dealing with English clubs. They can allow you to buy their young players BUT they also make sure there's a "buy-back clause" in the agreement.
smano
#55 Posted : Monday, June 27, 2011 5:12:06 PM
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TAZ wrote:
@ Maichblack....Which "rival" are you talking about, i hope you're not referring to the same team that was humiliated a month ago.

Arsenal wanted Thiago to be part of a swap deal that would see Cesc returning to Barca but the youngster declined, he doesn't want to leave Spain and i doubt Man Utd will convince him to do so.....section of Barca fans rate him higher than Cesc.

Btw, Barca pia si wajinga....ever since we pulled a fast one on them on Cesc they've been very cautious when dealing with English clubs. They can allow you to buy their young players BUT they also make sure there's a "buy-back clause" in the agreement.


I agree with Taz on this one...

Barca do not want to relelase Thiago despite everything, they have very hard decisions to make i.e. who to sell for them to buy maybe Cesc and Sanchez - the fans are saying Cesc is too expensive now but Barca know Xavi will not play at that level all his life...catch 22.

Hata kama Man Utd want Thiago, he'll be out of place in a team that relies on counter attacking football, unless we get another creative guy to partner him e.g. nasri smile
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MaichBlack
#56 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 1:28:34 PM
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Reports have it that Man U are ready to make their move for Nasri with a view to sealing a deal before pre-season training begins next week.

Arsenal could find it hard to resist a £20million offer for a player in the final year of his contract at the Emirates. Arsenal got £0 - which at the current exchange rate is Kshs. 0 - when Mathieu Flamini left the club. Wenger learnt from that and has made it clear Nasri will not be allowed to run his contract down and leave on a free transfer. There were reports that Nasri would not mind running down his contract and leaving for free if the worst comes to the worst. That would be to his advantage because a club that acquires a [talented] player for free is normally willing to pay him higher wages [using some of the money that would have been used as the transfer fee].

It must feel very good to be Nasri at the moment. Either Arsenal pays him an obscene salary [by their standards], he leaves for a better team now or he leaves next summer [and gets even a higher salary]!!!

On a related note, Arsenal received an improved £34 million bid from Barcelona last night for club captain Fabregas. If he leaves, it becomes harder to keep Nasri! Wouldn't want to be Wenger right now. He is leading a selling club!!!
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mwenza
#57 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 2:07:48 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:

On a related note, Arsenal received an improved £34 million bid from Barcelona last nightfor club captain Fabregas. If he leaves, it becomes harder to keep Nasri! Wouldn't want to be Wenger right now. He is leading a selling club!!!


I think its actually the other way round. Nasri is more likely to stay if Fibreglass joins Barca.
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mwenza
#58 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 3:13:32 PM
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TAZ wrote:
@ Mwenza...After being humiliated by Barca in the CL final, some of the Man Utd fans suggested that SAF should sign players with Barca in mind...i don't see how more English players fit into that. I've been watching the just concluded UEFA under 21 Championship and i must admit that Spain will dominate World football for several years. I wasn't surprised to see rumors of Wenger placing a bid for Juan Mata as a replacement for Cesc....btw England were eliminated in the group stages.



However, this is what FIFA thinks of the english game vis-a-vis the brazilian one.

http://soccernet.espn.go...d/930973/it'?cc=3888
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mwenza
#59 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 3:26:21 PM
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MaichBlack wrote:
Ashley Young. Done deal. Papers signed. Next?



De Gea is now firmly in the bag.
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McReggae
#60 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 4:31:15 PM
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mwenza wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
Ashley Young. Done deal. Papers signed. Next?



De Gea is now firmly in the bag.


...two more to go!!!!
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