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guru267
#221 Posted : Monday, June 27, 2011 10:37:42 PM
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the deal wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
[quote=the deal]Someone becareful http://m.standardmedia.c...lines.php?id=2000037937[/quote]
The Kenyan dating mkt is also over-due for a (down-ward) correction no doubt.

Alot of people share my sentiments http://www.businessdailyafrica.com ) Remember the media is always right.


The brokers give a sell recommendation so that they can buy.. and buy recommendations so that they can sell.. Simple

Case in point:
Mumias @ 14 was a strong buy
Kenya re @ 14 was a buy
KCB @ 18.5 was a sell
Safcom @ 5.4 was a strong buy
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#222 Posted : Monday, June 27, 2011 10:47:08 PM
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guru267 wrote:
the deal wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
[quote=the deal]Someone becareful http://m.standardmedia.c...lines.php?id=2000037937[/quote]
The Kenyan dating mkt is also over-due for a (down-ward) correction no doubt.

Alot of people share my sentiments http://www.businessdailyafrica.com ) Remember the media is always right.


The brokers give a sell recommendation so that they can buy.. and buy recommendations so that they can sell.. Simple

Case in point:
Mumias @ 14 was a strong buy
Kenya re @ 14 was a buy
KCB @ 18.5 was a sell
Safcom @ 5.4 was a strong buy

Applause
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Cde Monomotapa
#223 Posted : Monday, June 27, 2011 10:53:44 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
guru267 wrote:
the deal wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
[quote=the deal]Someone becareful http://m.standardmedia.c...lines.php?id=2000037937[/quote]
The Kenyan dating mkt is also over-due for a (down-ward) correction no doubt.

Alot of people share my sentiments http://www.businessdailyafrica.com ) Remember the media is always right.


The brokers give a sell recommendation so that they can buy.. and buy recommendations so that they can sell.. Simple

Case in point:
Mumias @ 14 was a strong buy
Kenya re @ 14 was a buy
KCB @ 18.5 was a sell
Safcom @ 5.4 was a strong buy


And for those reasons I use my signature, Think, do not be afraid, to encourage myself and others to exercise their minds and not to be afraid to do so...in order to avoid downloading whole-sale what customer care or those research notes from IBs say.
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the deal
#224 Posted : Monday, June 27, 2011 11:34:53 PM
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Dont blame the media...blame your broker for the lousy research...the media just informs the public...
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guru267
#225 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2011 4:49:51 AM
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the deal wrote:
Dont blame the media...blame your brokerfor the lousy research...the media just informs the public...


@the deal all the above recommendations I mentioned are extracted from the media and since D&B didnt give any of them then it was not my broker that did the lousy research.
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#226 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2011 7:11:39 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
chaliwong wrote:
What stops the other listed companies from making a similar projections?

If this is the reaction when there is such an announcement, I wonder how some people would react if it was a profit/loss warning?

I also thought good news(results) are supposed to drive a share up and vice-visa with bad news!!

Seems @Aguy would prefer profit-warnings only. Sameer & Eveready would be good.

i'm a share holder. I dont like the constant need for kk to be front page of the media. In the intelligent investor, this is a bad trait for a company. Further, trying to manipulate share price. I'm happy and all im up on my investment, kk is also a great company with great potential. What i dont like is too much media exposure. It can be a plus some time, or it can be a negative.
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#227 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2011 7:29:03 AM
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@Aguy..I see what U mean..the balance btwn keeping ur investors informed & media darling traits need addressing and in ur view more weight to the former.
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#228 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:26:47 AM
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Short termers start selling, Long termers well if not in start planning to buy. As they say todays news is tomorrows trash, anyone with direct feed already knew the volumes of both foreign sales & buys.
We've got lazy biz journalism institutions & websites that only transmit biz news after our usual suspects (Reuters & bloomberg). We are all after ensuring that shares clearance is within the trading day & if that is so their is an untapped potential market coz in that era fast & accurate info will be key.
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#229 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:36:09 AM
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Aguytrying wrote:

i'm a share holder. I dont like the constant need for kk to be front page of the media. In the intelligent investor, this is a bad trait for a company. Further, trying to manipulate share price. I'm happy and all im up on my investment, kk is also a great company with great potential. What i dont like is too much media exposure. It can be a plus some time, or it can be a negative.


@aguytrying I thought this is the first time that KK has given info before the due date.. can you mention a single other time when KK tried to influence the share?? You are making it sound like its a habit..

They are in the media alot for reasons beyond their control..
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#230 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:40:50 AM
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Some more BD Africa reporting trash;

Oil marketers are set for increased gains this year on the back of high fuel prices at a time when many Kenyan companies are feeling the threat of high inflation on their sales and when agricultural and banks stocks are losing with the weakening of the shilling.

What does this writer think the fuel formula is for?? nkt!!

http://www.businessdaily.../-/dhv8omz/-/index.html
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#231 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:45:36 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Some more BD Africa reporting trash;

Oil marketers are set for increased gains this year on the back of high fuel prices at a time when many Kenyan companies are feeling the threat of high inflation on their sales and when agricultural and banks stocks are losing with the weakening of the shilling.

What does this writer think the fuel formula is for?? nkt!!

http://www.businessdaily.../-/dhv8omz/-/index.html

Or alternatively he must think our OMCs have oil wells in North Eastern. Lol!! Nkt!!
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#232 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:47:40 AM
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if we dnt pass 11.60 this rally is dead.Technically and we can start placing orders at 10.00
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#233 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2011 9:00:58 AM
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erifloss wrote:
Short termers start selling, Long termers well if not in start planning to buy. As they say todays news is tomorrows trash, anyone with direct feed already knew the volumes of both foreign sales & buys.
We've got lazy biz journalism institutions & websites that only transmit biz news after our usual suspects (Reuters & bloomberg). We are all after ensuring that shares clearance is within the trading day & if that is so their is an untapped potential market coz in that era fast & accurate info will be key.


Share the news boss(good/bad). This is not a Navy Seal Team 6 site to speak in parables.
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#234 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2011 9:49:16 AM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Some more BD Africa reporting trash;

Oil marketers are set for increased gains this year on the back of high fuel prices at a time when many Kenyan companies are feeling the threat of high inflation on their sales and when agricultural and banks stocks are losing with the weakening of the shilling.

What does this writer think the fuel formula is for?? nkt!!

http://www.businessdaily.../-/dhv8omz/-/index.html

Or alternatively he must think our OMCs have oil wells in North Eastern. Lol!! Nkt!!

The idiot! Agricultural firms will do well coz of the weak KES. For those affected by lack of RAIN, what has that to do with OMCs? Kwani, diesel is a substitute for water? As for banks... the less said the better! The ROE is huge!
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#235 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2011 11:19:25 AM
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Speaking of banks...really looking forward to the forex income & interest income from GoK paper...they ought to be HUGE!!
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#236 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:17:10 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
@Aguy..I see what U mean..the balance btwn keeping ur investors informed & media darling traits need addressing and in ur view more weight to the former.

exacta!
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#237 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:22:06 PM
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@guru. I rem last yr, just before the kprl shit the fan. They released results very early, then immediately the kprl news came out, which muffled the rally. I wish they weren't so trigger happy with news. Otherwise im a happy share holder. J. S make me rich!
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#238 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:24:57 PM
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I've noticed something which has happened before. Those trades in the last 20 mins of trading, over 1.5mill. It happened with kk, large trades in the last five minutes. Hmmm.
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#239 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2011 8:40:42 PM
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Wanahisa - Not happy when they are kept informed. Sad when they are not kept informed.

I am happy with the constant release of information by KK. Ignore the media as far as financial news is concerned. They can't see the tips of their noses if someone cut them off for them & served them up on a plate!

As for KPRL... let's face it... KK was right. KPRL is inefficient & ultimately will be cut out of the supply chain.

All my skepticism of KK disappeared as it proved 'right' over time. - KPC's corruption (triton) & inefficiency (fake pumping capacity increases)
- KPRL is very inefficient. In collusion with corrupt MoE (& idiots at ERC) yanked KK's license last year + blackmailed KK by holding $$$ millions of crude + refined products. Of course, 1 year later, KPRL monopoly has been yanked
- NOCK. Where do I start? Loss of taxpayer funds from the prisko scam, pricey/delayed imports of crude when prices were rising, shady deals with dealers, favoured suppliers, etc
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#240 Posted : Tuesday, June 28, 2011 11:38:18 PM
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@VVS. you've been right about kk all along, even when everyone doubted. Kudos to you. i guess last yr with the kpc and kprl scams, kk wouldn't have stayed away from the media, even if they wanted. I wish they didn't relish media attention as much as they do. On another note, what was kk's managements aim, in issuing a profit advice? The question might be negatively framed, but im genuinely searching for an answer. Anywho, they get an A plus ratings on all other key investment areas, so i'll let it fly.
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