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Salary for Househelps
Layman
#1 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2011 11:08:51 AM
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There are regulations coming in force in te next 12 months. Minimum monthly Salo of Kshs 7,586/= plus two days off every week and I quote

"....The legal notice number 64 of June 10 sets Sh7,586 as the minimum wage an employer can pay a resident domestic servant in Nairobi besides the mandatory weekly 48 hour break.

Failure to grant the break leaves the employer with the punitive option of paying the househelp at the rate of Sh365 per day or an additional Sh3,000 a month.

That, together with the basic salary of Sh7,586, means domestic workers who do not get two days off a week will earn not less than Sh10,000 a month – nearly matching the pay of many low-cadre workers in government and the private sector.".....


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#2 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2011 11:19:30 AM
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Question is, is this realistic, based on the net income of most urban households?
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#3 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2011 11:22:19 AM
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#4 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2011 12:23:14 PM
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Guys, it appears unrealistic but until your housegal leaves then goes reporting you to the House Help soemthing something organisation, ..... you will see fire. Have a friend who went through that. Wasnt interesting ....
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#5 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2011 12:23:53 PM
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I don't think this is a good move and the house helps are the ones to suffer because you'll only need then on a full time basis when you have a new born after that you'll only need a mama for washing the house and clothes once a week for 400/-. Everyone will have a part-time housi who has to go get her own food and accommodation.

BBI will solve it
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#6 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2011 12:40:36 PM
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2012 wrote:
I don't think this is a good move and the house helps are the ones to suffer because you'll only need then on a full time basis when you have a new born after that you'll only need a mama for washing the house and clothes once a week for 400/-. Everyone will have a part-time housi who has to go get her own food and accommodation.


Largely true.

The extra cash you will pay them will require them to get a house somewhere. It may not be practical for most part.

It will boil down to your agreement with the individual pay them the stipulated minimum and ask them to find own accomodation or stay with the employer but at a lesser pay.

In a nutshell employers will need to consider the cost of housing and feeding them as part of the pay!!!
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#7 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2011 12:43:46 PM
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"....The legal notice number 64 of June 10 sets Sh7,586 as the minimum wage an employer can pay a resident domestic servant in Nairobi besides the mandatory weekly 48 hour break.

Failure to grant the break leaves the employer with the punitive option of paying the househelp at the rate of Sh365 per day or an additional Sh3,000 a month.

That, together with the basic salary of Sh7,586, means domestic workers who do not get two days off a week will earn not less than Sh10,000 a month – nearly matching the pay of many low-cadre workers in government and the private sector.".....

sumuni
#8 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2011 12:50:24 PM
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if you were to factor in the cost of the food they consume, the accommodation they enjoy and other fringe benefits, the actual cost of having a 'house assistant' is way above the stated figure.
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#9 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2011 12:50:43 PM
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I think its workable, all you need it just to prepare a monthly slip for your help.

Gross Salary - 7,586/=

Deductions:
Accommodation - 2,000/-
Food - 2,500/-
NSSF - 200/-
NHIF - 160/-

Net Pay -2,726/-


I assume the deductions will be going to you since you are the provider.





Findel
#10 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2011 1:33:01 PM
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KShs 7,586 is just too low, KShs 15,000 would have made more sensed'oh!
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#11 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2011 1:33:14 PM
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I think it is reasonable but a Contract must be signed as Terms of Ref, stating the scope of work.Bila ToR other Employers will be guests of the courts!
I am working on mine now now before I seek a lawyer's view.Getting from shagz itawezekana must be trained and understands His/Her working environment.
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#12 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2011 1:33:53 PM
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sumuni wrote:
if you were to factor in the cost of the food they consume, the accommodation they enjoy and other fringe benefits, the actual cost of having a 'house assistant' is way above the stated figure.



I agree with you, if you pay the said amount and ask the househelp to rent a room and buy food for hersel, she/he will not even save anything. They cannot afford the luxury of your house if they were to pay for it themselves.
Barrywhite
#13 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2011 2:01:27 PM
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And it will be inconveniencing for the employer - waking up first thing in the morning to open the gate and/or door so your housegal who has her own accommodation can come in; and waiting to lock after she leaves! It may be simpler to just marry a second wife, to be housewife :) Ladies dont attack me l am kidding
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#14 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2011 2:02:25 PM
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TD wrote:
I think its workable, all you need it just to prepare a monthly slip for your help.

Gross Salary - 7,586/=

Deductions:
Accommodation - 2,000/-
Food - 2,500/-
NSSF - 200/-
NHIF - 160/-

Net Pay -2,726/-
I assume the deductions will be going to you since you are the provider.


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#15 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2011 2:28:13 PM
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Njung'e wrote:
TD wrote:
I think its workable, all you need it just to prepare a monthly slip for your help.

Gross Salary - 7,586/=

Deductions:
Accommodation - 2,000/-
Food - 2,500/-
NSSF - 200/-
NHIF - 160/-

Net Pay -2,726/-
I assume the deductions will be going to you since you are the provider.


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this is a very legal position.
but the food cost is low.
food cost 30*150 p.d =4500
McReggae
#16 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2011 2:50:58 PM
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karqui wrote:
Njung'e wrote:
TD wrote:
I think its workable, all you need it just to prepare a monthly slip for your help.

Gross Salary - 7,586/=

Deductions:
Accommodation - 2,000/-
Food - 2,500/-
NSSF - 200/-
NHIF - 160/-

Net Pay -2,726/-
I assume the deductions will be going to you since you are the provider.


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this is a very legal position.
but the food cost is low.
food cost 30*150 p.d =4500


Agreed, with that adjustment the ney becomes 726/=
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#17 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2011 4:45:45 PM
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karqui wrote:
Njung'e wrote:
TD wrote:
I think its workable, all you need it just to prepare a monthly slip for your help.

Gross Salary - 7,586/=

Deductions:
Accommodation - 2,000/-
Food - 2,500/-
NSSF - 200/-
NHIF - 160/-

Net Pay -2,726/-
I assume the deductions will be going to you since you are the provider.


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this is a very legal position.
but the food cost is low.
food cost 30*150 p.d =4500


There is also going to be a limitation on in-kind payment. Just watched Citizen news: If you dont house them, you add 15% as house allowance.

PLUS Atwoli says that pursuant to the new rules, COTU will conduct impromptu visits to ensure compliance. Itching to sue on the basis of my right to privacy. I want less government in my house unless I've given them reasonable grounds to visit me.
McReggae
#18 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2011 4:56:56 PM
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While at it, let them tell the minimum qualifications for this proffession!!!!
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chaliwong
#19 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2011 8:26:21 PM
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Its their right let them earn like the rest.

But the day care centers and mama osha will flourish.

The day care center near my place charges only k.sh100 per day and mama osha will charge K.sh400-500 to do the whole weeks laundry and clean the whole house which she does every saturday.
We can do the dishes ourselves (Sufuria nunua stainless steel-very easy to wash).

Its a free market so go for the service provider you can afford.

Its even better because day cares graduate to become schools. That is how chaliwong university was founded.
new investor
#20 Posted : Friday, June 24, 2011 9:09:29 PM
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@ T.D I love the maths there...@ FINDEL, I work at a bank and my basic salary is exactly 15,000, so are u suggesting that the first thing I should do once I receive my salary is head to the nearest ATM and hand it all over to my househelp whom i house and feed??????

About the 48 hours bullshit are they aware that some people work on saturdays?? Anyway, she can be off duty any day between 9pm and 5amm....actually ni more than the stipulated 48 am one of the best employers!!!
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