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FAMILY BANK STEALS THE SHOW FROM KCB!
Genghis Khan
#21 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 11:45:13 AM
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Wa_ithaka wrote:
Peter Munyiri was actually lined up to be the next CEO at KCB, but he quit for this role. That might have something to do with the potential he sees at Family Bank compared to the bank he has worked at for a few yrs.


???

When did he quit? Before or after he was re-structured out?
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#22 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 11:45:31 AM
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Wa_ithaka wrote:
Peter Munyiri was actually lined up to be the next CEO at KCB, but he quit for this role. That might have something to do with the potential he sees at Family Bank compared to the bank he has worked at for a few yrs.


I think the reality is that this guy was NOT going to be CEO at KCB, and the consultants felt he wasn't doing much at KCB, hence he got downgraded and quit.

He should fit right in at Family...they also don't seem to be doing much as a bank.
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Wa_ithaka
#23 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 11:49:46 AM
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Gengis- he quit after he was given Chief Business Officer for Kenya
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Genghis Khan
#24 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 11:51:27 AM
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Hunderwear wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Hunderwear wrote:
Family Bank is warming up to the former Kcb deputy CEO to replace Peter Kinyanjui as the CEO.Now you know we mean busines.An announcement likely later this afternoon

Hahaha LMAO!! Family failed to un-settle even rattle Equity Bank..you think it is KCB they will come against? C'mon man..Family is a wanksta up against KCB & EBL.

>Dont you count us out yet as anyone in SME wil tel you Family is preferf to ur EBL and KCB.Its gonna be a long journey but hey we got the first step great n in the right direction.See you at the top


I am part of "anyone in SME" and I will not... Family is SLOW, they have wasted my time in the past...

One of my friends who is in business with them is always complaining... you cant even get a simple UnclearedEffect on a GoK cheque? Maybe the new guy will help but right now Family is StoneAge.
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Genghis Khan
#25 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 11:55:04 AM
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Wa_ithaka wrote:
Gengis- he quit after he was given Chief Business Officer for Kenya


Weka link:

I know the other DCEO in Charge of Group Business was given CBO-Kenya ... that makes sense to me... he previously managed Business Development/Growth through directors / department heads (including SME, Corporate, Retail) functions and fits the bill.

Your guy was in charge of Group Controls... maybe he would have been offered COO but not business.

Also you had said he was in line to be CEO... which is it, CEO, CBO or both? Which did he turn down?
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Wa_ithaka
#26 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 12:03:01 PM
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Genghis Khan wrote:
Wa_ithaka wrote:
Gengis- he quit after he was given Chief Business Officer for Kenya


Weka link:

I know the other DCEO in Charge of Group Business was given CBO-Kenya ... that makes sense to me... he previously managed Business Development/Growth through directors / department heads (including SME, Corporate, Retail) functions and fits the bill.

Your guy was in charge of Group Controls... maybe he would have been offered COO but not business.

Gengis-kwani ulikuwa abroad? On June 2nd , the extra-great MOO put ot this announcement http://www.kcbbankgroup....;id=747&Itemid=264. If you scroll to the bottom, you'll notice that they had done a profile of Peter Munyiri who had been offered CBO-Kenya. Samuel Kimani who you are thinking of, got straight redudancy and he is being lined up us new CEO at NBK.
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Genghis Khan
#27 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 12:19:45 PM
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Wa_ithaka wrote:
Genghis Khan wrote:
Wa_ithaka wrote:
Gengis- he quit after he was given Chief Business Officer for Kenya


Weka link:

I know the other DCEO in Charge of Group Business was given CBO-Kenya ... that makes sense to me... he previously managed Business Development/Growth through directors / department heads (including SME, Corporate, Retail) functions and fits the bill.

Your guy was in charge of Group Controls... maybe he would have been offered COO but not business.

Gengis-kwani ulikuwa abroad? On June 2nd , the extra-great MOO put ot this announcement http://www.kcbbankgroup....;id=747&Itemid=264. If you scroll to the bottom, you'll notice that they had done a profile of Peter Munyiri who had been offered CBO-Kenya. Samuel Kimani who you are thinking of, got straight redudancy and he is being lined up us new CEO at NBK.


Sawa I'll cocede that one... had him mixed up with Kimani(who you say, to be new CEO of NBK)...

http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/50uvitz/-/index.html

I guess the fact that he wasn't found Redundant by McKinsey improves my view of him somewhat...

Still, I don't like how Family Bank works right now... maybe thats why he went there... nowhere to go but up.
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tassia
#28 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 12:33:54 PM
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@Waithaka,

Thanks for this. I had noted this thread is full of inaccurate information from @Genghis Khan and others.

Hope these two links help.

http://www.nation.co.ke/.../-/50uvitz/-/index.html


http://www.businessdaily.../-/50ob4xz/-/index.html

http://www.businessdaily.../-/ub05pfz/-/index.html

In addition, no one was downgraded because the consultants found that they were not up to the task. It is the two deputy CEO positions that were scrapped. And Munyiri had not worked for KCB for 20 years. If you look at the profiles of those two former deputy CEO's they look very able guys who had earned those positions. Of course from their profiles, any bank would take them seriously and I would not be surprised if both take up CEO positions of different banks soon.


gathinga
#29 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 12:43:45 PM
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mwanahisa wrote:
YES, INDEED YOU ARE WRONG! The payoff is 1.5 months per year worked not for all the months. Still, it is a pretty good deal for Munyiri et al.

Genghis Khan wrote:
They say lumpsum is:

1.5*NumberOfMonthsInKCB*Salary

Assuming conservatively that the DCEO salary after 20years is 2M...

1.5 * 240 * 2,000,000 =

KES 720,000,000 Gross

After GoK promptly takes 30% tax...

KES 500,000,000 take home!!!!!

And then there is PENSION!


Someone please tell me am wrong... I am a KCB shareholderSad


Still very good cash. I also want to be fired!
Wa_ithaka
#30 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 12:50:34 PM
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Two things many of you are overlooking.
While we all agree bank has not performed to its potential (especially when you put it next to Equity), the main reason has been Kiondo who was CEo for many yrs before being forced oput by CBK’s rules. To be fair to him, he kept the bank going, but having invited an external player who wants to make big chums within the 5 years they’ll hold the shares, he is being forced to backdown and accept to play a lower profile game.
It is not easy to get a CEO job in Kenya’s banking industry because there are 44 jobs and most CEOs seem to stay for 20yrs. It is also industry is now growing at a pace and therefore doesn’t allow for KANU-type of operating where you put in a goat herder as CEO. So you can twiddle your thumb while you wait for your boss to go or for Reuben to vacate from NBK, which is what Peter has had to do for 4 years or grab the first CEO role that comes along.
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tassia
#31 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 12:52:53 PM
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gathinga wrote:
mwanahisa wrote:
YES, INDEED YOU ARE WRONG! The payoff is 1.5 months per year worked not for all the months. Still, it is a pretty good deal for Munyiri et al.

Genghis Khan wrote:
They say lumpsum is:

1.5*NumberOfMonthsInKCB*Salary

Assuming conservatively that the DCEO salary after 20years is 2M...

1.5 * 240 * 2,000,000 =

KES 720,000,000 Gross

After GoK promptly takes 30% tax...

KES 500,000,000 take home!!!!!

And then there is PENSION!


Someone please tell me am wrong... I am a KCB shareholderSad


Still very good cash. I also want to be fired!



Munyiri Joined KCB in 2007. This cannot be 20 years unless we are in the year 2026. He has previously worked for Co-operative, Barclays and Standard Chartered banks in Kenya.
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#32 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 12:58:11 PM
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@gathinga..go call your mboss a devil,or a dog during a staff meeting!!
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Genghis Khan
#33 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 1:04:17 PM
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tassia wrote:
gathinga wrote:
mwanahisa wrote:
YES, INDEED YOU ARE WRONG! The payoff is 1.5 months per year worked not for all the months. Still, it is a pretty good deal for Munyiri et al.

Genghis Khan wrote:
They say lumpsum is:

1.5*NumberOfMonthsInKCB*Salary

Assuming conservatively that the DCEO salary after 20years is 2M...

1.5 * 240 * 2,000,000 =

KES 720,000,000 Gross

After GoK promptly takes 30% tax...

KES 500,000,000 take home!!!!!

And then there is PENSION!


Someone please tell me am wrong... I am a KCB shareholderSad


Still very good cash. I also want to be fired!



Munyiri Joined KCB in 2007. This cannot be 20 years unless we are in the year 2026. He has previously worked for Co-operative, Barclays and Standard Chartered banks in Kenya.


@tassia; @Wa_Ithaka, I mistook Munyiri for Kimani... sorry for that.

Kimani has been in KCB for 11yrs... so my earlier calc comes to at least 250m net... still a princely sum if I got it right on the pay formula...

One of the retrenched guys was with KCB for 20yrs... can't get the link where I read the story... when I do I will post it in my defense then we can calculate HIS benefits.

Again sorry for the "typing error".
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tassia
#34 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 1:13:35 PM
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@Genghis Khan,

From your post, you would want to indicate that someone may not be a good CEO, just because he was in charge of group controls. Kimani who was the deputy CEO in charge of group controls was previously the finance director at KCB, has previously worked for CBK and PricewaterhouseCoopers. He holds a Bachelor Bachelor of Science Degree in Civil Engineering and an MBA Strategic Management both from the University of Nairobi. He is an alumnus of Harvard Business School’s Advanced Management Program. He is a member of the Institute of Certified Public Accountants of Kenya (ICPAK).

Martin, the current CEO of KCB and James Mwangi were previously in Finance before they took CEO positions. Of course people at decision making positions in hiring companies know that the KCB Managers are not out of work because they are non performers. The bank just wanted to reduce the number of management positions.

If guys had cared to follow what was on the news before restructuring, the two deputy CEO's were seen as qualified to take up Martin's role but then again, he was not to leave the position for them before his time was due.

Genghis Khan
#35 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 1:18:01 PM
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Wa_ithaka wrote:
Two things many of you are overlooking.
While we all agree bank has not performed to its potential (especially when you put it next to Equity), the main reason has been Kiondo who was CEo for many yrs before being forced oput by CBK’s rules. To be fair to him, he kept the bank going, but having invited an external player who wants to make big chums within the 5 years they’ll hold the shares, he is being forced to backdown and accept to play a lower profile game.
It is not easy to get a CEO job in Kenya’s banking industry because there are 44 jobs and most CEOs seem to stay for 20yrs. It is also industry is now growing at a pace and therefore doesn’t allow for KANU-type of operating where you put in a goat herder as CEO. So you can twiddle your thumb while you wait for your boss to go or for Reuben to vacate from NBK, which is what Peter has had to do for 4 years or grab the first CEO role that comes along.


Being CEO may be better than DCEO of KCB he has a chance to make a name for himself...

Still, he may not enjoy his new job with the family breathing down his neck... he may not have the absolute power to hire / fire / reorganize / restrtegize / rebrand...

He may not enjoy Board support for such hard decisions...

I don't think the MuyaFamily & Co. will let him make the hard decisions he needs to... Family is still a family biz.
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#36 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 1:20:07 PM
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Now if as @Cde said earlier that Munyiri couldn't get a license from CBK, how will he now get it when he goes to Family?
Genghis Khan
#37 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 1:21:43 PM
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tassia wrote:
@Genghis Khan,

From your post, you would want to indicate that someone may not be a good CEO, just because he was in charge of group controls. Kimani who was the deputy CEO in charge of group controls was previously the finance director at KCB, has previously worked for CBK and PricewaterhouseCoopers. He holds a Bachelor Bachelor of Science Degree in Civil Engineering and an MBA Strategic Management both from the University of Nairobi. He is an alumnus of Harvard Business School’s Advanced Management Program. He is a member of the Institute of Certified Public Accountants of Kenya (ICPAK).

Martin, the current CEO of KCB and James Mwangi were previously in Finance before they took CEO positions. Of course people at decision making positions in hiring companies know that the KCB Managers are not out of work because they are non performers. The bank just wanted to reduce the number of management positions.

If guys had cared to follow what was on the news before restructuring, the two deputy CEO's were seen as qualified to take up Martin's role but then again, he was not to leave the position for them before his time was due.



I was suggesting that a DCEO - Group Controls would not fit CBO as easily... the CBO is mandated primarily with business development...

I was also suggesting that a former DCEO - Group Controls may not be able to bring in as much "deals" from the fromer employer...
Genghis Khan wrote:

This guy was DCEO in charge of "Group Controls"...

I don't think you should expect him to bring much in the way of "deals"...

Unless you want to take some of the other guys as well eg. treasury, corporate banking etc...

If you do that please have in mind that you are taking the guys that McKinsey think were doing more "harm than good" within KCB (ie. making big salaries without adding value)...

Still it's entirely possible to put them to good use in a new organisation. GoodLuck!

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Wa_ithaka
#38 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 1:35:03 PM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
Now if as @Cde said earlier that Munyiri couldn't get a license from CBK, how will he now get it when he goes to Family?

say what?
The announcement is this afternoon. CBK will already have cleared him for them to be making the announcement.
As I said, the Fam Bank that is evolving will be less dominated by Muya Snr
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Abby
#39 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 1:43:06 PM
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I thought Family Bank have a CEO --- Kinyanjui or a name like that?
tassia
#40 Posted : Monday, June 20, 2011 1:45:34 PM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
Now if as @Cde said earlier that Munyiri couldn't get a license from CBK, how will he now get it when he goes to Family?


@Gordon Gekko,

Please provide the link that Munyiri Could not get a licence from CBK.

I doubt if CBK would decline if he is clean.

Here is Munyiri's profile

He joined KCB in April 2007. He is a professional Banker and a Corporate Executive with 17 years experience in Banking having worked at Co-operative Banking as the General Manager in charge of Retail Banking and also as General Manager for Technology and Operations Division within Co-operative Bank. Prior to joining Co-operative Bank, Peter worked for Standard Chartered Bank in Trade Finance and at Barclays Bank in Risk Management Division. He is a fellow of the Kenya Institute of Bankers (FKIB) and an Associate of the Chartered Institute of Bankers (UK). He is holder of an MBA from Newport University and a BA Economics degree from the University of Nairobi.
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