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Is Monogamy Natural?
Um Sayala
#31 Posted : Monday, June 13, 2011 4:45:49 PM
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@jasonhill, Thanks for bringing up this topic, and for your objective contribution.

Having said that, I believe, as someone has mentioned above, that other cultures existed before the west colonised us.societies survived and polygamy was 'normal'. A first wife could tafuta a good lady and convince the hubby to marry a second wife. Then came the west and everything an african did was either devilish or backward. sample these
a. Busaa or changaa is ILLICIT while Diageo's beer is the best
b. African traditional/hebal medicine ni ya WACHAWI but processed one from Mzungu is the best (thou might be true to some)

c. African names must be baptised and named either Jane, mark, Moses etc(Did jesus change his name on baptism?)but not Judas(apparently their was Judas brother of Jesus, Judas(also called Bathlomew) adn Judas iscariot)

In short, everything African must be seen to be bad while Mzungu's ni sawa.
Bure Kabisa
Thats why we export unprocessed coffee/steel etc to Europe and buy Mac Benz from their.
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kimiri
#32 Posted : Monday, June 13, 2011 5:24:44 PM
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According to the 2009 Kenya national census results, persons in the age bracket of 15-64 years comprise more men (10.5 million) than women (10.2 million). Yet, complaints about lack of partners to marry abound more among women than men. An interesting question is how many adult males versus females are living single out of choice or due to lack of spouses? For sure, we have a good number of male bachelors thanks to kumikumi, other illicit liquors, and other reasons. Or could it also be that our women are too choosy and tend to crowd around a few men that are deemed more desirable when it comes to matters of marriage and relationships?
KenyanLyrics
#33 Posted : Monday, June 13, 2011 5:34:31 PM
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Modern society is surely guilty of overthinking some things. Our forefathers had this relationship stuff figured out, but then we thought and rethought the concept until now its just a state of confusing confusion!
masukuma
#34 Posted : Monday, June 13, 2011 11:24:48 PM
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weak men need to justify their actions - they know its wrong but think that if many people agree with them it will be nicer to hear.
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muganda
#35 Posted : Tuesday, June 14, 2011 9:51:32 AM
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Difficult not to be drawn by @jasonhill arguments. So eloquent, so persuasive, almost dangerous smile

I'll take a different slant. The bible does in fact, show irrefutable polygamy and goes further to allow bigamy, just as there's evidence of wive inheritance. Apart from an 'eye for an eye', mass murder is common place, and prescriptions to kill witches, homosexuals, fortunetellers, adulterers, fornicators, non believers etc.


Harden not your hearts:
"Why then," they asked, "did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?"
"Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning."
Matthew 19:7-8

"But at the beginning of creation God 'made them male and female. For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.' So they are no longer two, but one. Mark 10:7-8


None would argue it takes more sacrifice and greater love for a man to commit to one woman.
Let thy fountain be blessed; And rejoice in the wife of thy youth. Proverbs 5:18

Rahatupu
#36 Posted : Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:58:27 AM
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@JasonHill very well put. At the ecological level, the ratio of men being lower than that of women at the time that procreation begins, (i.e probability of boy vs girl at birth, survival of baby girl vs boy into child bearing age....) it is evident that for all women to ensure the survival of their genes they must of necessity mate with the few available men. Thus nature itself is inclined towards polygamy.

Now the other argument is that all great men were polygamous from David in the Bible, Shaka Zulu,Mohammed,Mohamed Ali, Bill Clinton, Jomo Kenyatta, Samuel Kamau Wanjiru....Yet the Western legal systems adopted by many communities around bastardized it to the detriment of the general well being of the family unit.
Djinn
#37 Posted : Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:02:49 PM
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I agree with Jason - polygamy is NATURAL. Its ironic that western culture makes this wrong YET they tolerate homosexuality which, from whatever angle you look at it, is UNNATURAL. Funny enough, polygamy may help mop up the excess women left over in society after men have seen fit to plug each other....(I make no excuse, I am a homophobe and very closed minded about it)
muganda
#38 Posted : Tuesday, June 14, 2011 12:48:43 PM
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@Djinn @Rahatupu important to differentiate between Nature and Intellect. I'd wager most animal herds are naturally polygamous, as natural as hunting prey, mating season, excretement...

Sure man can choose to live at this level, but he has a choice. Man is an animal but he is blessed with intellect and a conscience.

jasonhill
#39 Posted : Tuesday, June 14, 2011 1:55:02 PM
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muganda wrote:

Sure man can choose to live at this level, but he has a choice. Man is an animal but he is blessed with intellect and a conscience.



Yes man has both of those. And the Western way is intellectually and conscientiously destroying the Earth and going against God's plan, all while forwarding the Western agenda at the expense of Africa. We are perpetually chasing the proverbial carrot-on-a-stick in trying endlessly to adapt to "their way" of riddle-infused thinking and interpreting what God has made plain.

It seems as though you are hinting that monogamy and the Western way is "intellectual", yet most all of Western technology is borne of war and destruction, and here in 2011 we all plainly see that the Earth cannot sustain the Western way of life without resource scarcity, global climate change, and imminent disaster. And what you are hinting runs counter to your argument that fact the the West embraces abortion and gayism to the fullest- even pays millions of dollars to NGOs and media "journalists" in Kenya to spread the sick message- when nature itself, which you hint at as being primitive, is smarter than to practice gayism for that would surely end any species with the injury and anti-procreative nature of such deplorable acts.

No, I will add to MY family as I see fit, as my forefathers did, and no one has the right to tell me otherwise. My family is the most important institution on earth, to me. It will be big. It will be strong.

We need to take from our Western experiences only what is useful and prudent to Africa, and leave what is not; we need to rediscover and reapply western "education" and "technology" in a purely African way and through an African lens, which respects the African way of life, our love and care for the earth, and respect for nature and God's way, lest we continue in the endless cycle of confusion, doubt, and self-hate- the three hindrances that keep us, the Black African not only in Africa, but all over the world, from fully realizing the completeness and oneness of a people that we once long ago possessed.

Best,

Hill
KenyanLyrics
#40 Posted : Tuesday, June 14, 2011 8:26:10 PM
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masukuma wrote:
weak men need to justify their actions - they know its wrong but think that if many people agree with them it will be nicer to hear.

So I'm guessing strong men are those who do things with no justification? d'oh!

Having proper reasons for your actions is the very definition of maturity.
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