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Is Monogamy Natural?
bendi3
#21 Posted : Thursday, June 09, 2011 3:58:53 PM
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100% of men hold a fantasy(whether secretly or otherwise) that they would be better off with more than one landing rights.Whether this fantasy is fulfilled after the second landing right is another matter altogether.

So is monogamy natural,according to some ethics classes that refuse to abandon my brain cell,the word nature requires the assessment of the 'reason d'tre of man which is 'created for the pleaure of God'.If something causes man to do something that displeases God then i believe that it is unnatural.

God,in the old testament and even in the quran encourages men follwing His ways to for example',Go and get a wife in so and so's homestead"

Why....because it pleased Him.God does not change,He is the same those days,and even today so it still pleases Him.

It therefore follows that having more than one wife,is natural because it follows man's created purpose which is to give pleaure to God.Mark the words pleaure and God.If the act does make the man forget His first wife(or previous for that matter) then it ceases to give pleasure to God and hence is unnatural.

Polygamy therefore is natural and monogamy unnatural.

The early worm, is the one caught by the early bird.........
Lolest!
#22 Posted : Thursday, June 09, 2011 6:12:04 PM
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Interesting debate.

I have been pondering about the question of monogamy in the biblical context.

Honestly can't see a verse that clearly outlaws it. But I find it interesting too that in the new testament, there is no mention of a single polygamous man(correct me if I am wrong!)

However as a man, I wonder how other men manage to have mipango ya kando or many wives. Being in a relationship with 1 woman is too much work for me! Unless you give them upendo kidogo kidogo.

How do you manage to shower both of them with love? Imagine the way most women expect a man to be that listening, caring partner. Where do you get time to listen to all their stories?

I bet there must be 1 woman losing out on the love! For my experience with womankind informs me that they need lots of time-even if its just when you're listening to her complain endlessly about her day at work.

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jasonhill
#23 Posted : Thursday, June 09, 2011 7:01:17 PM
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The bible clearly states that homosexuality, suicide, lying, marrying "strange" (pagan) women, fornication, adultery, abortion (child sacrifice to Moloch, murder), sex while on menstrual cycle, etc are sins. It never says polygamy is a sin, and in fact, encourages it. I'm not going to add another sin to the list, because it also warns not to alter, change, add to, or take away from God's word- and I don't dare. I'm not a false prophet. If God has blessed me with permission to do something that am already wired to do, I'm going to do it. There is enough discipline, restriction, and "killing" of the flesh that must take place in order to walk the Christian walk already; I will not add Euro-man's silly history and customs to the weight of the yolk. And polyandry (one woman many husbands) was never permitted, blessed, or sanctioned in the bible. Why would it be? MEN were GIVEN wifes in the bible. There is no CEO that reports to the CFO or CIO. The man is the head of his household and the bible is very clear on that. A man's child bearing years and multiple child-bearing capabilities are constant and far longer than a woman's. Like I said, God is wise and great. His designs are logical and sensible.

The power in men is that they lead the household- it's vision, mission, purpose, and direction. The power in women is that they have the day-to-day operational capability, wisdom, and passive influence to ensure the household's success and adherence to the CEO's vision and goals. Just like in any successful venture.

Besides, no one has every achieved anything real and lasting following the things of man, only the things of the Lord God.

No one here or anywhere can even come close to saying that a man with his wives, plural, displeases God or commits a sin, so, for my Christian, God-fearing house, WE will follow the Lord God, and not man- so where it is lawful and expedient, we will do as we see fit to bless and expand our family, if it is the will of the Lord God.

Best and Bless,

Hill
radio
#24 Posted : Thursday, June 09, 2011 7:21:46 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
Interesting debate.
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However as a man, I wonder how other men manage to have mipango ya kando or many wives. Being in a relationship with 1 woman is too much work for me! Unless you give them upendo kidogo kidogo.

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@Lolest, I also wonder!

Back to the debate, I find men who opt to openly marry a second or third wife are vilified by the society! I am informed that in the days of our grandfathers, their wives encouraged them to take on other wives. This was used as a family planning mechanism.

But times have changed.
KenyanLyrics
#25 Posted : Thursday, June 09, 2011 8:18:01 PM
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Times have changed in the city, but I don't think it's completely turned around huko mashinani. I stand to be corrected.

Anyway, I wish we could leave the various subjective religious reasons about why monogamy is not natural, and stick to more factual, objective reasons. Are there any factual reasons to support this statement?
jasonhill
#26 Posted : Thursday, June 09, 2011 8:43:03 PM
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KenyanLyrics wrote:
Times have changed in the city, but I don't think it's completely turned around huko mashinani. I stand to be corrected.

Anyway, I wish we could leave the various subjective religious reasons about why monogamy is not natural, and stick to more factual, objective reasons. Are there any factual reasons to support this statement?


Religion aside:

Economic reasons: Multiple people working in a household are greater than the sum of parts- in a time where we already have less and less extended family under the same roof, working on one common household instead of many, smaller weaker ones, it's better and more efficient to have a team instead of a pair. Also, each individual house needs it's own land, gate, utilities, cars, etc. Imagine a six or eight unit building or maisonettes, all owned by the family with a pool, biodiesel machine, windmills, a computer lab, a few 4x4s, one luxury car, and large shamba. One watches kids while another goes to university while another runs the business while another manages the houses, etc. and then they can rotate attending university. All our women could be cared for and educated!

Social reasons: there would be far less single mothers and orphaned children if fathers were encourage and even required to wed, house, and keep the women that they have relations with. There would also be more kids in school (family school) and with jobs (family business). Divorce rate would also be lower, and issues, problems, and disagreements could be worked out by consensus in the family instead of in the courts or the street. The key here is very, very careful choosing and vetting of wives... current wives should have input on new ones in an organized vetting process.

Biological reasons: it would be easier to monitor and maintain the health of the family, because there wouldn't be much sneaking around and having outside "relations" and chips funga... the man would have no time, and would always have a wife watching him or by his side, on ALL weeks of the month. And I'm all for a man that sneaks out, when he has several wives, being found civilly and criminally liable for such activity- that's conflict of interest for his family and a health risk to his wives. He should have to do it the proper way- meetings, interviews, dates, etc. etc. marriage before sexual relations. No more excuses. Things will be as exciting and fresh as they need to be.

Also, wives would have "sisters and friends" in their sister-wives, that would more likely say things that are more beneficial to "the family", than things that will tear the family down. Sure, some wives will be competitive and maybe more self-centered than others, but one's success affects all, so, the advice and counsel given is more likely to be helpful than hurtful, like the advise of outsiders in competition for one's man might be. Also, a man would be less likely to abuse his wives if there were many to side with her in the same household.

I'm sure there are more, but I will give others a chance to speak and give input from their own experiences, since I know that there are those here that have grown up in such families, yet have not spoken.

Best,

Hill


Genghis Khan
#27 Posted : Monday, June 13, 2011 10:19:05 AM
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Is polygamy natural? YES, much more than monogamy.

Is Polygamy a sin? NO, and neither is monogamy. I think a Christian has a choice of how many spouses / children to have; not to love and care for them is a sin.

We cannot include in the Bible what is not there, THAT is a sin.

Historically, Christians have the sinful habit of imposing the social values of their time on Christianity.

Examples of sin include:

BITTERNESS - Acts 8:23; Ro 3:14; Eph 4:31; Heb 12:15
NOT BLESSING THEM THAT CURSE YOU - Lk 6:28
Sad EATING BLOOD - 1Sam 14:33
BOASTING - Ja 4:16; 3:5; Ro 1:30
JUDGING GOD’S SERVANTS - Ro 14:4,10
ACCEPTING A BRIBE - Ex 23:8; Ps 26:10
WEARING THE CLOTHING OF THE OPPOSITE SEX - Deut 22:5
Laughing out loudly FOOLISH CONVERSATION - Eph 5:4
ABORTION - Ex 21:22-25; Jere 1:4,5
Pray ADULTERY (on penalty of death) - Mt 19:18; Gen 39:7-9; Ex 20:14
NOT SPANKING A DISOBEDIENT CHILD




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Pablo
#28 Posted : Monday, June 13, 2011 3:02:48 PM
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I like this guy Jason hill. Facts bila emotions.
mukiha
#29 Posted : Monday, June 13, 2011 3:34:23 PM
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@Jasonhill; how many wives do you have?
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tonicasert
#30 Posted : Monday, June 13, 2011 3:49:55 PM
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What about the ratio of men to women? Probably the idea of monogamy came up in a society where more men than ladies were born, and it was all twisted into the current system that considers it a sin.

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