@Magigi, I do not have a big problem with Ms. Baraza but with Dr Mutunga as a CJ..I do. I think the thread http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...spx?g=posts&t=12538 had most of the concerns.

Bwana Magigi,

You have a valid point.

As i read the scriptures, i do not see any attempt by Jesus to institutionalize Christianity,
he was continuously castigated by the religious elite of his day for not following the 'traditions of their fathers' e.g the washing of hands, the strict keeping of the sabbath, the fasting and so on.

And Jesus in turn continuously exposed the heresy and hypocrisy of the pharisees and teachers of the law.

When drawn into a debate that would have him 'declare' a position on paying taxes to Caesar, Jesus answers by asking a question... i paraphrase... "Give me a denarius,(a bob is handed to him) whose image/likeness is on this coin, they answer Caesar, then give to Caesar what is Caesar's and give to God what is God's"

Remember Rome was an oppressive regime on the Jewish people. Jesus position on the issue basically was, honor your obligations to the authorities however oppressive BUT also (Give to God what is God's) honor your obligations to God.
Why did Jesus add "Give to God what belongs to God" in that context?
Basically because just as the image of Caesar was on that coin, we bear the image of God, we should therefore give ourselves to the one we belong to...

Back to context:
Christianity is not about creating institutions or influence via politics or force.. Jesus once said this to Pilate, that his kingdom was not of this world, and that if it were of this world then his disciples would not have resisted his being arrested. (John 18:36)

Who are we then to try and assert our influence via religious institutions and politics?

Jesus was once offered 'all the kingdoms of this world' by none other than satan, he declined....
Most if not all of our so called religious leaders would have jumped at the opportunity...

Christianity is not about setting up any kind of kingdom on the earth.

Why wasn't Jesus birth announced to the Kings, Nobles or religious elite of his day, why to simple lowly shepherds?

i digress......

The point is, your work as a Christian is to do 2 things Love the Lord your God with all your heart, mind, soul, strength. And love your neighbor as yourself.
Do this and you stand out like a sore thumb in a world filed with pretense and hypocrisy.
If all who call themselves 'Christians' would do this... there would be no need for 'missions' and 'outreach' and related jargon.

i digress again...

ok enough said for now.

...and the CEO of Keroche Industries said she gets invites from the clergy during harambees and I am not saying she has no right to do that. It is is the hypocrisy that is so sickening!!! Why tell people gayism is bad and at night kids in the seminary cant sleep (I am not even talikng about father Kizito) as you move from one room to another...so nauseating!

What is wrong with her being invited?

...pesa ya phombe....

You are right here !!

I think the church has a role to play and whats happening (regarding questioning CJ) is actually correct.
The problem with us human beings is to believe and justify that (in what I hear people say )the world is changing and becoming modern in order to approve such behaviours like opening the exhaust tank.

What I would like to tell people is that its true the world is changing but we should remember that the word of God remain the same and its not dependent on certain variables."In the beginning,there was the word and the word was with God and the word was God"

Let us not support the ungodly acts or behaviours so as to be seen as elite or compatible enough to the changing world.

it is not about protestants or catholics or any other groups

The question is .... is your faith... not the faith of your pastor... is YOUR faith in keeping with the teaching of Jesus Christ as revealed in the scriptures.

That is the question.

@mtu biz, I have not been active in church for the past 3years. In this time, i have managed to become more serious in reading the word for myself book by book. I have discovered interesting gems in the word, things that are best seen in personal study. So yes, it is important you need to build on personal faith but you need to be joined to a family of believers where you will help each other grow. Thats my next step.

@ Lolest

Church activity is not equal to fellowship do not confuse the two.

Church activity is not what pleases God.

We look at outward appearances, God looks at the heart.

If Christianity was about what we appear to be or do then the pharisees and teachers of the law would have been the champions of the faith.Not former fishermen and tax collectors (kawaida dudes).

I agree that some members of The Parliamentary commitee conducted the affairs of the day in the most hawkish and undignified manner.
The agenda for the sitting was to prepare for the interogation of the the trio of Mutunga, Baraza and Tobiko.
Introducing diversianary issues of how honest, moral etc some Clergy are supposed to be or not to be is to waste our time and resources.

Stick to the business of the day.

Having said that, it is also important for us to appreciate that the church wanted kina Mutunga interogated over their sexuality, and if or not they encourage the propagation/development of gayism etc etc.
Questions of Mutunga's donning of a stud and its significance were raised too.

Listening to Mutunga today those fears/concerns were adequately addressed as to satisfy... most including myself(as a private citizen).

I found Mutunga to be level headed and not, to use his words " a lose canon".
I believe he will steer the Judiaciary in the right direction.