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CIC @105 ; Is this a good deal?
the deal
#21 Posted : Thursday, May 26, 2011 9:08:23 AM
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@Birdman i'm aware of that lets talk numbers In 2010 the net earned premiums were 3.459 B whereas their total expenses (claims & costs) were 3.337 B now calculate how much they made from their insurance business? by the way half of those earned premiums come from their motor business...
bird_man
#22 Posted : Thursday, May 26, 2011 9:19:58 AM
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the deal wrote:
The Kenyan Insurance sector is marked by fraud,intense competition and pathetic margins imagine covering a Matatu...without the income from investment no insurance would survive thats why you see this wild swings between profitability-it all depends on the NSE and how it performs...my quick analysis of CIC tells me that its combined ratio is way too high and i think to say they will repeat last years perfomance is a lie...no insurer will repeat their 2010 perfomance...well that does not mean the share price wont go to 200 bob coz price involves many things i.e sentiment


From their annual report:

Net Earned Premiums 3.46B
Investment Income 235Million
That disqualifies your statement above.

Also,why do you compare Net Premiums Earned with Total claims,commissions payable & operating expenses without including Investment Income,Commissions Earned & Other Gains?

Even if they made zero investment income, they would still make a PBT of more than 369M considering that their costs would also go down if they didn't invest.
Formally employed people often live their employers' dream & forget about their own.
the deal
#23 Posted : Thursday, May 26, 2011 9:24:21 AM
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@Birdman investment income & others is not their core business...please do the calculation in my post above and see how much the insurance business contributed to their PAT?
bird_man
#24 Posted : Thursday, May 26, 2011 9:40:32 AM
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Investment income contributed to about 38% (235M/605M) of their PBT.The rest is insurance business.
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Equator
#25 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2011 11:08:02 AM
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Wazuans, some broke is willing to sell quite a chunk of CIC shares at @Kshs110. Anyone interested can shout.
Layman
#26 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:06:57 PM
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Thats a very bad price.....
bartum
#27 Posted : Tuesday, May 31, 2011 1:12:22 PM
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Layman wrote:
Thats a very bad price.....

bad for you and good for him
the deal
#28 Posted : Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:05:32 PM
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I withdraw my statements on CIC...good company...@Pkoli fantastic pick...a friend of mine schooled me on various metrics of valuating insurance companies...i need to update my report on Britak.
bird_man
#29 Posted : Wednesday, June 01, 2011 11:12:42 PM
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Who are these guys buying at 105sh?Do they expect price to get to 200sh?And if this price continues with the current trend,wouldnt it call for 2 splits or a higher split ratio before the IPO in order to make it affordable?
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Okonkwo
#30 Posted : Thursday, June 02, 2011 9:36:12 AM
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I offered mine on sale for 110/= and I have not gotten a buyer yet. If guyz are serious, can somebody take mine?
Eddy
#31 Posted : Monday, June 06, 2011 8:35:14 PM
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Have a meagre 6000 shares willing to sell @ 120 which i know i will regret in May next year.
Hunderwear
#32 Posted : Monday, June 06, 2011 9:03:24 PM
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At a P/E of 5-7 ths share should not trade above 50 sh.Put yours at this price and they r gone i.e if you really want them to sell off.people are getting sober on ths share by the day.
bird_man
#33 Posted : Monday, June 06, 2011 10:23:22 PM
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Whats the latest average price?
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kiriita
#34 Posted : Thursday, June 16, 2011 11:47:14 AM
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Anyone knows what is the current bid price?
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