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Father Kizito at it again.
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#11 Posted : Thursday, May 26, 2011 6:11:58 PM
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Tommy wrote:
Elder wrote:
KenyanLyrics wrote:
'user' wrote:
Why cant priests just be allowed 2 marry?

By not having children, the church is assured of inheriting the priest's property, and this provides one of the biggest revenue streams for the church. Saw this in a documentary.


That would have made sense if it was only children who could be heirs or beneficiaries in succession. Any dependant can be an heir and with a will anybody can be a beneficiary. So that logic escapes me.

What assets are they supposed to be having. This Fr.Kizito is a missionary and the much he gets is allowance. These Local priests(diocesians) are the ones who get a monthly salary, hence can accumulate wealth since their expenditure is low.
And BTW @elder your signature is scary


Most of the historical reasons stemmed from the property issues @ KenyaLyrics pointed out. The Church also did not want anyone's children to make claims on its property. In the case of missionaries, it was(is) much cheaper to finance a single missionary than to support a married one relocating with his entire family. Plus back in the day, their work was considered dangerous..and therefore easier do without the family setup.
Plus numerous other spiritual issues read from the Bible..
Robinhood
#12 Posted : Thursday, May 26, 2011 7:07:42 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/11/2008
Posts: 2,306
Tommy wrote:
Elder wrote:
KenyanLyrics wrote:
'user' wrote:
Why cant priests just be allowed 2 marry?

By not having children, the church is assured of inheriting the priest's property, and this provides one of the biggest revenue streams for the church. Saw this in a documentary.


That would have made sense if it was only children who could be heirs or beneficiaries in succession. Any dependant can be an heir and with a will anybody can be a beneficiary. So that logic escapes me.

What assets are they supposed to be having. This Fr.Kizito is a missionary and the much he gets is allowance. These Local priests(diocesians) are the ones who get a monthly salary, hence can accumulate wealth since their expenditure is low.
And BTW @elder your signature is scary


During the middle ages the Catholic Church was definitely the richest entity on earth. The pope was higher than Kings and many Kings paid homage and treasure to the pope. The church was careful that none of its priests’ descendants (and they were many even with the celibacy thing) ever lays a claim to the church's money and hence the celibacy doctrine was born. Never mind that Paul in 1 Timothy 3 talks of a deacon/bishop being the husband of one wife.

That said, it is clear that celibacy only hurts the church as priests end up preying on innocent boys. Do they ever pause to wonder why many of the complaints against priests involve boys when the church is so vocal against gays? Someone needs to urgently allow priests to marry. The church's position only hurts it more. I am almost certain that the church will instead continue to sweep the problem under the carpet...
Great men are not always wise, neither do the aged understand judgement...
wakagori
#13 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2011 7:13:22 AM
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Joined: 7/12/2010
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The Catholic priests are busy bashing CJ-elect Mutunga...wacha we see if they will call a press conf. on this....which i doubt.
Impunity
#14 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2011 7:35:44 AM
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Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,331
Location: Masada
wakagori wrote:
The Catholic priests are busy bashing CJ-elect Mutunga...wacha we see if they will call a press conf. on this....which i doubt.


The Kizito is a retired priest and our catholic clergies may not have interest in him anyway.
Pole for the man ingizwad.Was the man intoxicated or how did it happened?Sad
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Superasha
#15 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2011 7:45:26 AM
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unfortunately this guy is tanting the church's name now making it less credible.....smh!!!
YesuWangu
#16 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2011 7:51:55 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 8/11/2010
Posts: 1,588
Robinhood wrote:
Tommy wrote:
Elder wrote:
KenyanLyrics wrote:
'user' wrote:
Why cant priests just be allowed 2 marry?

By not having children, the church is assured of inheriting the priest's property, and this provides one of the biggest revenue streams for the church. Saw this in a documentary.


That would have made sense if it was only children who could be heirs or beneficiaries in succession. Any dependant can be an heir and with a will anybody can be a beneficiary. So that logic escapes me.

What assets are they supposed to be having. This Fr.Kizito is a missionary and the much he gets is allowance. These Local priests(diocesians) are the ones who get a monthly salary, hence can accumulate wealth since their expenditure is low.
And BTW @elder your signature is scary


During the middle ages the Catholic Church was definitely the richest entity on earth. The pope was higher than Kings and many Kings paid homage and treasure to the pope. The church was careful that none of its priests’ descendants (and they were many even with the celibacy thing) ever lays a claim to the church's money and hence the celibacy doctrine was born. Never mind that Paul in 1 Timothy 3 talks of a deacon/bishop being the husband of one wife.

That said, it is clear that celibacy only hurts the church as priests end up preying on innocent boys. Do they ever pause to wonder why many of the complaints against priests involve boys when the church is so vocal against gays? Someone needs to urgently allow priests to marry. The church's position only hurts it more. I am almost certain that the church will instead continue to sweep the problem under the carpet...


Not true. Celibacy, among the priests of deity, started much earlier. The change in the Roman Catholic Church began with the Council of Elvira in Spain in about 306, which prohibited bishops, deacons and priests from marrying. Afterwards, the early church fathers began to stigmatize sex as sinful in their writings. St. Ambrose (340-397) wrote, “The ministerial office must be kept pure and unspoiled and must not be defiled by coitus,” and the former libertine St. Augustine (354-430) even went so far as to consider an erect penis a sign of man’s insubordination.

In Egypt, even before Christianity started, in the well-organized priesthood of the religion of Isis, celibacy was already being practised, This was represented by sacerdotalism (a belief that priests can act as mediators between human beings and God, from which Catholics derive their current status quo). Sexual abstinence was an absolute requirement of those who celebrated Isis's holy mysteries. Thus, is it continued.

The fathers and priests will never ever be allowed to marry. Expecting or hoping that one day they will be allowed to is an exercise in futility.

By the way, yes they are forbidden to marry but are they forbidden to have sex? That is the question.
Mtu Biz
#17 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2011 8:00:13 AM
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YesuWangu wrote:


In Egypt, even before Christianity started, in the well-organized priesthood of the religion of Isis, celibacy was already being practised, This was represented by sacerdotalism (a belief that priests can act as mediators between human beings and God, from which Catholics derive their current status quo). Sexual abstinence was an absolute requirement of those who celebrated Isis's holy mysteries. Thus, is it continued.



Think hmmmmmm

Sola Scriptura


callaspade
#18 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2011 8:16:11 AM
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@ elder,tafadhali remove that blinking cat,it scares the hell out of me when am reading yours posts.please !!!
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#19 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2011 8:35:36 AM
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ati how was he set free again? wako was serious?
dossy7
#20 Posted : Friday, May 27, 2011 9:06:46 AM
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Posts: 1,493
Location: Nairobi
@Yesu wangu u seem to know the literature on the church alot are u a priest?
I thought i heard sometime back that some catholic priests split from the roman catholic and are now marrying is it still on?
BTW the priests should be allowed to marry
Kenya ni yetu sisi sote
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