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Total Kenya. Oooops!!
jammo
#1 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2009 11:09:00 AM
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Ksh109million Q1 loss! ..on account of 'low fuel prices'
That renews my immediate thinking n activity. ..not fundamentally but market position..

..if it is not expressly prohibited in law.. DO IT!!!!
Gordon Gekko
#2 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2009 11:22:00 AM
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It stinks. You maintain a constant profit margin regardless of costs of inputs. So how can margins be eroded even if international prices and/or exchange rates fluctuate? Just wondering - is it creative Accounting to dodge taxes? Are they trying to force the Govt's hand?
slykat
#3 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2009 11:38:00 AM
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@ Jammo.

Oooops! Pole but u were warned.

I warned about this awhile back n gave Total among examples that included safcom.

Its called price transfer. Some shareholders have to make K b4 u do.

When buying shares,ask yourself,would you buy the whole company?
jammo
#4 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2009 11:51:00 AM
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@sly... My interest with total over the years is dividend factor. Sh2.50 at buy prices of sub28 yet picks up to 35 toward mid may.. That doesn't change. My change of mind refers to what time to start getting in by spreading out.

..if it is not expressly prohibited in law.. DO IT!!!!
Hi-Lo
#5 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2009 11:56:00 AM
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...seems they'v been caught in the Triton trap...buying high and having to sell low...why didn't they emulate Triton and siphon their fuel off and close shop? It's business not charity...but this goes to confirm that the future of all equity stocks is inherently uncertain and is difficult to model...

Playing the stock market without insider info...is like buying a cow in the moonlight.
slykat
#6 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2009 11:59:00 AM
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@ jammo.

do you manage others' funds? Hypothetically speaking,if i gave u 100K,how much k wud u make me in 12 months - less 10% for you - thru trading in the current bear mkt? whats ur average returns for every 100k during the bear?

@Hi-Lo

Siphon? Lol!

When buying shares,ask yourself,would you buy the whole company?
wote
#7 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2009 12:29:00 PM
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I would tend to agree with Gordon on the tax issue,we all know French companies are fomous in that aspect.

I however,have a question for Jammo,did you say loss because of'' low prices? and if so,are you telling us that the have adjusted their prices of the petroleum products sold to Kenyan public down ward ? and that they are selling their products lower than on the world market.? If so then that would be an act of charity and energy prices are going to fall,we will witness an economic take off.



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jammo
#8 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2009 12:47:00 PM
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@sly... U hav my mail address.

..if it is not expressly prohibited in law.. DO IT!!!!
jammo
#9 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2009 1:05:00 PM
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@wote.... Quotation marks mean they aren't my words. On total i'm a trader..so my interests go thus far.

..if it is not expressly prohibited in law.. DO IT!!!!
wote
#10 Posted : Friday, May 29, 2009 1:21:00 PM
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@ Jammo,i do know what a quotation mark means,point is that,i find you to be more informed on stock matters than majority of our SK members. That as it may,i believe it would be kind if you also stated that you do not agree with the reasons given by tatol in view of high prices of their products compared to the world trends/market.

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