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Is Kenya a Failed State
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#31 Posted : Tuesday, July 14, 2009 10:39:00 AM
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@djinn even if we cant control weather and those that are beyond our control ... i think we should not feel powerless n weak ... we can mitigate the effects of weather and others by having vision ...case in point ... horticulture even in this dry weather they are exporting even more products ...

there's is always something to hope for...
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#32 Posted : Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:28:00 AM
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@all

lets not take mediocrity for good leadership.....am sure kenya has not even exploited 10% of its potential.....

As noted earlieron if it were not for good citizenry this country would have been in ruins....

Guys lets keep up the good work to slow down the degradation of this nation....

Peace to all men of Goodwill
wa P
#33 Posted : Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:59:00 AM
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Kenya is not a failed state. Actually,we are doing VERY WELL. Check the CIA world Factbook on Kenya.

I used to be a self hater but when i visited many countries,including the so called 'first world' especially in Europe,I could not help marvel at the slavery and choreography that those guys must live with to maintain themselves; you miss a minute and you cant pay bills.

If you think Kenya is bad,take 3 days off,buy a ticket to any 'dream' African country such as Malawi (2nd fastest growing economy in the world) or Mozambique (plenty of rains). When you come back pls post a note on SK. My friends,with our warts and all (Mpigs,I like that) we are light years ahead of many countries in the world.

For the usual challenges that we face; everyone has the duty to make life better for her/himself and the neighbor. Forget the negative local and foreign media,and also the overzealous civil society. They eat off other peoples vomit.



If it looks clean,it keeps your pockets clean. I mean,look at the soil...
half_empty
#34 Posted : Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:13:00 PM
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labels may not seem to mean much... not until the country risk rating is down graded... and gvmt has to borrow at much higher interest rate to meet innumerable dvpmt challenges... the problems are well documented... the solutions have been discussed at length...can we get new constitution already
MADE
#35 Posted : Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:27:00 PM
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Kenya is not a failed state. The pple are indeed very hard working and optimistic. Its the leaders who've failed us thru' failed institutions. sample this:
- A failed Executive thru' a stolen election
- a failed Judiciary thru' unprocedural appointments and corruption in the corridors of justice
- a failed Legislature thru' compromising Mps to pass/defeat motions
- a politicised civil service

It's not where yu are,but where yu want to be.
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Obi 1 Kanobi
#36 Posted : Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:43:00 PM
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@WaP

Very astute observation vis a viz the kenyan scenario.

Infact I would like people to visit the western countries to have an idea of how not to live your life. This people live like sh*t. Ever wonder why their populations are falling.

As for the other african countries,they are ranked better because no one has an idea what goes on there.

Isn't it ironic that the west send Somalia pirates to be tried in Kenya 'A failed state' why didn't they send them elsewhere,to say like TZ,or UG or Egypt or Saudi Arabia (to have their hands chopped). We fail when its convinient for them.

I've noticed the youth in particular coming in to a workplace with a completely outsized notion of their own value and importance... just a thinly-veiled arrogance. May be the credit crunch induced recession is whats needed to remind us all about the value of hard work.... By Anonymous
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
Mainat
#37 Posted : Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:48:00 PM
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Is Kenya a better country to live in/be born in/earn a living in today compared to 1964?


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Sehemu ndio nyumba
mkristo
#38 Posted : Tuesday, July 14, 2009 12:56:00 PM
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KENYA HAS MANY PROBLEMS; it is my mother LAND.

I am approaching 40 years of age; most of the food that has kept me alive and healthy has been grown on KENYAN soil.

I LOVE MY COUNTRY KENYA; I LOVE THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY; WE ARE A GREAT NATION AND TOGETHER WE CAN DO EXPLOITS.

AND WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE.

KENYA IS NOT A FAILED STATE; I THINK SOMALI IS; PERIOD!!!


each day is a gift from God; I dont know if I will be here tomorrow; should I be,I'll make the most of it for God's glory; should I be not,pick up and keep the legacy
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#39 Posted : Tuesday, July 14, 2009 1:38:00 PM
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@MADE- you cannot list those institutions as failed and say Kenya as a state has not failed. Maybe we need to define 'failed'. Sometime I wonder whether presidency is all we think when we say 'executive' because the interaction of an ordinary kenyan is not with the President or the Prime Minister for that matter,but with the core of the government especially through the civil service which is quite intact and running and Kenyans interact with it every day- register births and deaths,issue IDs and passports,go to government hospitals,take their children to public schools etc.

Our MPigs are a piece of work,but consider what their main work is- to make law and check the executive. There are a lot of laws that I would certainly want made or changed but a lot others are made all the time. I shudder at the collusion between the executive and the legislature especially on the issue of payment of their taxes but ask any minister whether he likes appearing before a parliamentary committee for grilling and they will tell you of their dread.

You could carry out a simple test on whether the state has failed- Why not commit a blatant crime and you will be surprised how easily you will be apprehended and are surprised parliament made a law,the executive exists to arrest you and arraign you in court; the judiciary exists to haul you in jail. So you may bribe your way thro it all but do you want to try?
wa P
#40 Posted : Tuesday, July 14, 2009 2:48:00 PM
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@Mainat

Is it better in Kenya now than it was in 1964? YES. I was not there in 1964,but most of the real development in Kenya (infrastructure,political evolution,lessons on how NOT to do things,open society,freedom of expression...) have taken place since 1991. I was a mature lad then,and can relate with the happenings.

Make no mistake - In 1964 and around when Obama was born,Kenya must have been good in many ways. But the 'goodness' was not brought forth by Kenyans for Kenyans. The mzungu had just taken all the good land,had built nice infrastructure to and for that land,had displaced many people and had killed others to achieve the 'goodness'.

Look at South Africa today,and it can give you a relative impression of how things here looked in 1964. They are developed. Life has been 'good' only for a minority. Now life there is no longer good for anybody.

Lets do the following:

1. Appreciate that we are Kenya. Look at yourself - are you bad? are you a failure?
2. We have problems here and there - we isolate fact from fiction and take steps to solve the problems. Starting from individual level.
3. We talk less and act more.
4. We take responsibilities for our mistakes like the 210 mistakes (exxagerated) in parliament. Can we agree on the kind of leader we need per 'district'?
5. When somebody call us monkey,we should not start acting like monkey. Because when we call him pig,he does not behave like pig.
6. Need to understand Africa - we have been thrusted from the prestigious 'Hunter Gatherer' lifestyle (how I miss it!!) into Agrarian,Industrial and now Information ages all within 100 years. We are bound to get confused as we tinker with foreign ideologies like western democracy,man- eat- man capitalism etc. The post Information age is going to be African age.

and many other steps we can take at individual level to stabilize Kenya.

Lastly,lest you forget our national anthem.

If it looks clean,it keeps your pockets clean. I mean,look at the soil...
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