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Is Kenya a Failed State
ktnemployee
#1 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 12:01:00 PM
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i having been observing our govt and for some reason i think we are a failed state.


there is no clean drinking water virtually every where in the country apart from private water holes and borehole
am told rationing of electricity will start soon
famine is almost everywhere in the country

deforestation
criminals almost everywhere have taken control

then what is the govt for,can we do away with it?
just asking

when i wake up in the morning i check whether my name is in the forbes magazine of the worlds richest people,if its not there i go to work.
McReggae
#2 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 12:31:00 PM
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We are a failed state and we rank number 14 in the world having dropped by 12 places!!!

The chief value of money lies in the fact that one lives in a world in which it is overestimated.
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
mtaalam
#3 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 12:46:00 PM
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Kenya is a joke. The leaders of the second liberation are our current oppressors. Our previous oppressors are now our current liberators. Kwa kweli najihurumia kuwa mkenya.

ili iwe funzo...
ktnemployee
#4 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 1:02:00 PM
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@mtaalam i cant agree with you more!,but to add on that i think we have a leadership gap the guys who are supposed to keep the govt on toes are the ones between ages 20-40 but where are they? just the same way the likes of orengo did sometimes in the 70's

when i wake up in the morning i check whether my name is in the forbes magazine of the worlds richest people,if its not there i go to work.
faa
#5 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 1:11:00 PM
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i also agree that without doubt kenya is a failed state.Almost all Kenyans know this except a few Cabinet ministers like Moses Wetangula sucker who earns a salary of 1 million.


How can he dare say that Kenya is not a failed state infront of people with no Jobs.

yayo
Obi 1 Kanobi
#6 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 1:45:00 PM
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We are doing very poorly but not yet there,methinks its abit unfair to mention kenya and somalia in the same category.

The gava is clearly overwhelmed,but the rest of the country is really trying to hold things together,specifically the private sector seems to be working hard to stabilize the nation. Its not all about the gava and the Mpigs.

We can start thinking of being a failed state when;

- the international journos relocate to another neighbouring country to report from there.

- transit goods are diverted through the more expensive TZ routes.

- UN relocates etc.

Lakini we could be there in 2012 if we don't fix the political system ASAP


I've noticed the youth in particular coming in to a workplace with a completely outsized notion of their own value and importance... just a thinly-veiled arrogance. May be the credit crunch induced recession is whats needed to remind us all about the value of hard work.... By Anonymous
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saitoti
#7 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 1:48:00 PM
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Kenya is not a failed state.

Not in totality,not when we are are around,we industrious and patriotic kenyans.

Together,we will remain rock solid and persevere harsh times for a brighter tomorrow.

Hope,Hope,Hope. Don't lose it!





WE ARE ONE UNITED KENYA.
willin2learn
#8 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 2:05:00 PM
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I think the contention should not be whether it's a failed state or not. The main issue should be whether we should move positions to no 4,just below Somalia,DRC and Chad..
willin2learn
#9 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 2:15:00 PM
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@ Saitoti,

I would wish to believe you. However i have been around long enough to know that as a country the only thing that moves forward is poverty and population..

Remember at independence our primary goals as enumerated in the Sessional Paper no. 5 (1965) were to fight Disease,Poverty and Illiteracy.

A whole four and a half decades later we are still struggling with those and managed to rope in Tribalism,Insecurity,Desertification among many others..

If the 1965 goals were examinable today i would not find a suitable Alphabet to award Kenya..pathetic






Obi 1 Kanobi
#10 Posted : Monday, July 13, 2009 2:42:00 PM
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I don't know what a failed state implies,but methinks we are better off than

Somalia,DRC,Burundi,Eritrea,Ethiopia,Chad,Uganda,Sudan (for blacks),Mauritania,Congo,Malawi,Zimbabwe,Zambia,Gabon (that country has a serious case of dutch disease),Iraq (too many bombs),Afghanistan,Haiti,CAR,Rwanda,Ivory Coast and probably another 30-50 countries who nobody ever hears of.

Infact in sub-saharan Africa,only SA can claim to have a clear advantage over us in everything,the rest of the countries either have oil (Ghana,Angola,Gabon,Nigeria) or have huge natural resources that minimise conflicts or are recovering from long conflicts and are being treated with kid gloves to keep things in balance.

The above is not an illustrious grouping and claiming to be better than them does not say anything about how we are doing but I have been hearing the story about how we were better placed than Korea and Singapore 50 years ago and TBH,I am really tired of it,we have been teettering on the cliff edge forever and since we don't seem to topple over we must be doing something right.

The IMF/WB at some point claimed UG/TZ had better investment opportunities than us,this year we were ranked above them. Yep things go around and return to the same spot.


I've noticed the youth in particular coming in to a workplace with a completely outsized notion of their own value and importance... just a thinly-veiled arrogance. May be the credit crunch induced recession is whats needed to remind us all about the value of hard work.... By Anonymous
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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