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Nitrogen filling stations
pm
#1 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 1:24:00 PM
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Filling nitrogen in tires instead of air gives you a smoother ride,better performance,does not deflate as much as air (less tyre pressure check; minimum leak),your tyres rims lasts longer (nitrogen unlike ordinary air eliminates water content) ...




I've had nitrogen in all my cars and has noticed a better ride/ performance.

Are there any nitrogen filling stations in Kenya?

If not,there is your business opportunity ;)

festom
#2 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 1:40:00 PM
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When you talk about business,i believe you need to do a SWOT analysis,to see if its viable. Are kenyans ready to leave free air and come and buy your nitrogen for their tires. Even the president's cars are inflated with air not Nitrogen

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pm
#3 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 2:10:00 PM
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@festom,please learn basic Internet etiquette / protocols,some of your language is plainly too crude to allow for a mature informative discussion ... that aside,your logic is too faulty,you wrote 'Are kenyans ready to leave free air and come and buy your nitrogen for their tires' ... First,it's NOT my nitrogen,I was simply advancing an idea based on developments here in the West and based on my experience,secondly,folks have historically left donkeys / carmels and so forth for cars,in transitioning from beasts of burden to cars,the argument why would anyone want to switch from this mode of transportation to cars would now appear to be a silly argument ... people here are finding nitrogen more economical over air in the long term,let me know if you need help in calculating why nitrogen inflated tyres would be more economical ...

Kaigangio
#4 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 3:34:00 PM
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@ pm,

the advantages are many but the real reason why nitrogen gas is still not available in our filling stations is the cost factor.....the cost of its manufacture and packaging is astronomical by the standards of an ordinary kenyan...and air is free...


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pm
#5 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 4:20:00 PM
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@kaigangiu,I was looking at various equipment for separating nitrogen - available from India,China etc which are at very reasonable prices ... See http://www.alibaba.com/t...ea=product_en&ssk=y ... what I'm trying to convey to folks is that,it's more expensive NOT to have nitrogen filled tyres,my experience is that I'm saving more money by having nitrogen inflated tyres by as much as a factor of 4x over regular air ... I don’t think the process is that difficult / expensive ... regular air is 90% nitrogen,and a machine to separate hydrogen / water cannot be that expensive,the same compressor is used as with ordinary air ... in most gas stations these days you have to pay about $.75 to inflate tyres,to fill your tyres with nitrogen is about $10.00 and you'll not need to be checking air for a while ... come to think of it one would be better off with nitrogen inflated tyres outside town ....

And1589
#6 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 5:20:00 PM
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Personally i'll need more convincing to use the Nitrogen because i think i'm ok checking my tires fortnightly and filling up with the free air. Nevertheless i dont dispute that Nitrogen might be superior.

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Djinn
#7 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 7:29:00 PM
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@pm - pls excuse my ignorance in these matters - but what about expansion? you said 'based on developments here in the West'....and I keep thinking of,is how cars from abroad need some form or the other of 'tropicalisation' - mainly to do with cooling systems since our ambient temperatures are usually higher all year round. Also driving conditions are not as tame - thus,tyre wall distortion on uneven surfaces (aka pot holes,all weather roads - thus likelihood of leaks/explosion). Just a thought...

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pm
#8 Posted : Monday, October 12, 2009 8:00:00 PM
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@Djinn,first,a bit of correction from my previous post - air consists of - about 1% of water in form of vapor plus other gases, about 21% oxygen which escapes about 4 times more than nitrogen,and 78% nitrogen which is non-flamable and dry ...

That said,nitrogen filled tyres are most suitable for tropical climates because it does not make tyres expand due to varying temparatures,nitrogen is a poor heat conductor,safety is another added plus for nitrogen inflated tyres due to stable tyres and less prone to expansion & therefore blown tyres ... nasgar,airlines,military (us and others) use nitrogen in tyres ... tires will run cooler and at a more consistent pressure than if they were filled with air.
Layman
#9 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:54:00 AM
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@pm,we will use nitrogen when we reach there. For now free air does fine.

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mukiha
#10 Posted : Tuesday, October 13, 2009 7:48:00 AM
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I have a few problems with this:

First it sounds like a 'Mouse-Milk' kind of product. They say that mouse milk is very similar to human mother's milk. Thus if the mother of a child dies,you can feed the infant on mouse milk and s/he will grow normally. The only problem is that it is very difficult to catch one mouse...and you need thousands to feed a human baby....and also you need to make sure that your 1,000 mice are all female and have recently given birth!!!

Of course,it will be easier to look for another breast-feeding human mother and she will only be too glad to feed the extra child....or if in town,buy formula!!!!

Now,the science is not convincing. @pm says that Nitrogen is a poorer conductor of heat than air. This is not true. Thermal conductivity of air is 0.024 W/(mK)....and that of Nitrogen is 0.024W/(mK). They are identical!!!!!!

Their thermal expansions coefficients are also identical; that is,they expand at the same rate as the temperature is increased.

The slower deflation is due to the fact that air has a higher moisture content. This moisture condenses under pressure thus causing the deflation.

Finally,@pm writes ... in most gas stations these days you have to pay about $.75 to inflate tyres,to fill your tyres with nitrogen is about $10.00 and you'll not need to be checking air for a while ... .....

Now in Kenya,air pressure is completely free of charge and you can fill up as many times as you wish as frequently as you need. Many times I have gone with a 'slow puncture' for weeks,just topping-up every two or three days.

Thus,this will only work if petrol stations start charging for pressure.....now that will be the day!!!!



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