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PKoli
#281 Posted : Saturday, May 14, 2011 12:02:55 AM
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Hunderwear wrote:
It's only fair to do this.It was a commitment they made during the rights issue.If it's the case the directors of the company just earned an xtra mark from me.


These guys, do keep their word!
TUPAC
#282 Posted : Saturday, May 14, 2011 5:35:31 AM
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@koli hope you are attending the AGM.am held smwhere and wont manage. if u can could you ask the directors if they could just do a rights issue and just introduce the shares at NSE?
or if they could do a small rights issue before listing to enable members acquire a few more shares?
thanks.
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ndung'u wa waweru
#283 Posted : Saturday, May 14, 2011 10:27:21 AM
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Has any ordinary shareholder managed to attend cic AGM. They are locking the ordinary shareholders out and allowing only delegates. These cic officials should learn some lessons about Investor relations.They seeem to be living in the past? Have they forgotten they changed the articles of association during last year EGM and now all shares have equal voting rights ie no class A or B. It is very unfortunate for senior company employees to mishandle shareholders and threaten to call security to kick them out! SHAME! Company secretary stop sleeping on your JOB and advice your company accordingly.
jerry
#284 Posted : Sunday, May 15, 2011 9:15:54 AM
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ndung'u wa waweru wrote:
Has any ordinary shareholder managed to attend cic AGM. They are locking the ordinary shareholders out and allowing only delegates. These cic officials should learn some lessons about Investor relations.They seeem to be living in the past? Have they forgotten they changed the articles of association during last year EGM and now all shares have equal voting rights ie no class A or B. It is very unfortunate for senior company employees to mishandle shareholders and threaten to call security to kick them out! SHAME! Company secretary stop sleeping on your JOB and advice your company accordingly.

=>>No AGM details forthcoming. @pkoli must have been locked out of the AGM.
The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
PKoli
#285 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2011 2:26:26 AM
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Dear Frinds,

I did manage to attend the AGM, I am sorry I could not post the summary after the meeting since I was having a function at my house.

@Bartum, I will mail you summary of the notes.

The functioned was attended by the Minister for Cooperatives.

see notes below:

Key highlights of the CIC AGM held on 14th May 2011
Chairman’s address
The company posted good growth in FY2010 – General Business and Life growing by 79% and 31% respectively.
The company holds position three among the insurance companies in Kenya.
It is the most capitalized insurance company in Kenya.

Currently individual shareholders have 41% and Cooperative Societies have 59%. The Sacco societies have been requested to boost their stake in CIC to have the 70% threshold. Towards this end Coop Bank has set aside some money to loan Sacco Societies willing to buy more CIC shares.
Listing of the company to the NSE is stated for the 2nd half of 2012.
The company has the largest stake in Takaful insurance and that the business is currently doing very well.
CIC has purchased 200 acres of land in Kahawa area for real estate development.
They are currently putting up a 10 storey twin building at Upper Hill area.
Current synergy with Coop bank is working very well.
Dividends at a rate of KES 1.6 will be paid to all allotted shareholders (this include those who participated in the private placement).
Future plans advanced to move to Rwanda, Malawai, and Southern Sudan

The CEO’s comments
The CEO is quite a religious man and made reference to the bible often when making his remarks.
The CEO emphasized that the company will continue to empower small scale industries, farmers, etc.
He said that the company is committed to building relationships with customers – shorter claims settlement period etc.
He was very passionate about CIC and said that better things are coming for CIC than any one has ever imagined. They are aiming to be a number one insurance company in Kenya.
He paraded his top management and noted that the Company has one of the lowest turnovers among the insurance companies.
Address by Minister for Cooperatives
He said that CIC is the role model in the entire Africa and one of the leading cooperative insurance companies in the world.
In preparation for the next year’s International Year for Cooperatives, CIC CEO was appointed to be part of the experts to advice the UN secretary General towards preparation of the event for future growth of the Cooperative movement in the world.
The Minister said that worldwide, there are 1 billion members of the Cooperative movement.
He said that in Kenya 43% of the GDP is owned by the Cooperative movement (sounds huge!).
He noted that relationships between Cooperative Bank and CIC are now very good and that Cooperative Bank has given CIC the business which had been given to other insurance companies.
The government of Rwanda requested the Kenyan government to Coop Bank and CIC commence operations in Rwanda. Plans to actualize this are already in advanced stage.
In Southern Sudan agreements have been reached where the Southern Sudan government will own 30% and Coop Bank will have 70% of the Cooperative Bank. CIC too will join in the insurance business of the Cooperatives.
He asked the Company to be more aggressive, take advantage of the opportunities arising from the new counties and also to shout about their achievements.
He also talked of the SASRA operations.
PKoli
#286 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2011 3:59:08 AM
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jerry wrote:
ndung'u wa waweru wrote:
Has any ordinary shareholder managed to attend cic AGM. They are locking the ordinary shareholders out and allowing only delegates. These cic officials should learn some lessons about Investor relations.They seeem to be living in the past? Have they forgotten they changed the articles of association during last year EGM and now all shares have equal voting rights ie no class A or B. It is very unfortunate for senior company employees to mishandle shareholders and threaten to call security to kick them out! SHAME! Company secretary stop sleeping on your JOB and advice your company accordingly.

=>>No AGM details forthcoming. @pkoli must have been locked out of the AGM.


I did manage to attend.
PKoli
#287 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2011 4:04:18 AM
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TUPAC wrote:
@koli hope you are attending the AGM.am held smwhere and wont manage. if u can could you ask the directors if they could just do a rights issue and just introduce the shares at NSE?
or if they could do a small rights issue before listing to enable members acquire a few more shares?
thanks.


I will try to aks some guys when I get the opportunity. I did not during the AGM. There was no Q&A session like the AGMs we are used to.
Hunderwear
#288 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2011 6:02:40 AM
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@Pkoli job weldone!what a company CIC is and about to be!BTW if you dont mind send me the summary as you send to bartum.Thanks
Aguytrying
#289 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2011 7:49:11 AM
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@pkoli.Nice work
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Layman
#290 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2011 8:45:48 AM
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...I wonder why they declared dividends @ Kshs 3.14 per share then changed their minds to cut it by half to kshs 1.60 per share.
jerry
#291 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2011 9:43:31 AM
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Layman wrote:
...I wonder why they declared dividends @ Kshs 3.14 per share then changed their minds to cut it by half to kshs 1.60 per share.

=>The initial dividend of 3.14 would have locked out recent rights from benefiting in the offer.
The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
bird_man
#292 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2011 10:40:00 AM
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@PKoli......might you know when the proposed share split will be done?
Formally employed people often live their employers' dream & forget about their own.
PKoli
#293 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2011 12:01:41 PM
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Hunderwear wrote:
@Pkoli job weldone!what a company CIC is and about to be!BTW if you dont mind send me the summary as you send to bartum.Thanks


It is basically the same as what I have posted here, only that it was a word attachment.
PKoli
#294 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2011 12:04:08 PM
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bird_man wrote:
@PKoli......might you know when the proposed share split will be done?


I can't for sure tell, but I believe it might happen next year. We will get the feeling when they start to appoint a transaction advisor for the listing.
bartum
#295 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2011 10:01:23 PM
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@pkoli nice and focussed management, i wish to imagine how this company will be in next 7yrs
jerry
#296 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2011 10:50:37 PM
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bartum wrote:
@pkoli nice and focussed management, i wish to imagine how this company will be in next 7yrs

=>what's the likely lockout period for existing shareholders on listing? Are COOP pre-IPO shareholders still locked out of trading in NSE and for how much longer?
The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
PKoli
#297 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2011 10:58:56 PM
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jerry wrote:
bartum wrote:
@pkoli nice and focussed management, i wish to imagine how this company will be in next 7yrs

=>what's the likely lockout period for existing shareholders on listing? Are COOP pre-IPO shareholders still locked out of trading in NSE and for how much longer?


@jerry,

For Coop Bank, only class A shareholders could not trade freely except amongst other saccos. I am not so sure about other shareholders. Class A shares had alockout period of 5 years. I think CIC could adopt a similar strategy. I have a feeling that many broke saccos might want to realize their value early and would argue for a shorter duration.
the deal
#298 Posted : Monday, May 16, 2011 11:36:41 PM
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mSimon would be telling you to sell this CIC...btwn did you notice that all insurance firms returned mega profits in FY 2010...my next research report is on CIC...aulready have the AR for 2010...keep checking my blog i will post it there.
liomungai
#299 Posted : Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:23:27 AM
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@the deal please tell me which is your blog? thanks
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the deal
#300 Posted : Wednesday, May 25, 2011 9:56:12 AM
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liomungai wrote:
@the deal please tell me which is your blog? thanks

http://contrarianinvestingkenya.blogspot.com
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