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Uchumi re-listed 5Bob
Sober
#1 Posted : Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:39:29 PM
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I gues a new price of 5bob is viable..
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#2 Posted : Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:45:00 PM
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Sober wrote:
I gues a new price of 5bob is viable..

Why are you anticipating such a low price? The company is back on its feet...
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VituVingiSana
#3 Posted : Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:46:42 PM
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You can't compare the old price to the new price... The capitalization structure has changed with new shares, conversion of debt into equity, etc...
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#4 Posted : Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:48:03 PM
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I can only buy at 2 or 3
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#5 Posted : Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:50:26 PM
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What is the total amount of Uchumi shares?
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#6 Posted : Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:58:11 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
What is the total amount of Uchumi shares?

Not sure at the moment but before they list I am sure there will be some re-adjustment...
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Sober
#7 Posted : Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:04:00 PM
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The price of the shares were sold at 5.00 each. this means 50 million shares went at that price, i bet that will be the starting price.
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PKoli
#8 Posted : Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:28:28 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
I can only buy at 2 or 3



What kind of p/e are talking of. You are equating Uchumi to paka
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#9 Posted : Friday, April 29, 2011 8:39:51 AM
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Sober wrote:
I gues a new price of 5bob is viable..


@Sober

I had not seen this thread before I started running my mouth elsewhere. This is what I asked.

Trading at 14.50 the last time in 2006. Government loan was converted to shares at 10 shillings each. Suppliers also got their lot while existing shareholders also got a percent of the 80m shares created.

Key shareholders have been frozen from trading their shares for the next one year or so.

Considering the dilution effect of the extra 80m shares, what is the expected starting price on resumption?
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Sober
#10 Posted : Friday, April 29, 2011 8:51:19 AM
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just out of curiosity, adding the existing shares, those bought at 5bob as debenture shares and the government equity that was converted. how many in total shares issued are we talking about here?
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#11 Posted : Friday, April 29, 2011 9:18:27 AM
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@Sober the valuation by KPMG for uchumi was 12/- per share. the debenture shares were offered at a discount of 10/-. the total issued shares rose from 180million to 266million.

I had a chance to attend the AGM on 21st April proxy and had a quick chat with Ciano who is also a shareholder. He did a presentation on the past and the future prospects of uchumi and IMHO the projections upto 2014 looked quite solid and achievable. The assets are in the region of 3.6billion the turnover 11billion
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#12 Posted : Friday, April 29, 2011 10:54:41 AM
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I have no appetite for this one..... at least not in the near future.
Wa_ithaka
#13 Posted : Friday, April 29, 2011 11:40:57 AM
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It closed at Ksh14.95, with the share dilution and the debt still on its books, I think Ksh5 doesn't sound too bad.
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mkonomtupu
#14 Posted : Friday, April 29, 2011 11:51:59 AM
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@Wa_ithaka which debts? the KCB/PTA loans have been fully paid, the rest of the debt from suppliers converted into equity. the only debt is the gok repayable in flexible terms upto 4 years. GoK converted part of its loan into equity although it had offered to convert the entire loan
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#15 Posted : Friday, April 29, 2011 11:55:17 AM
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Wendz]I have no appetite for this one..... at least not in the near future.

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@Wendz

If you are still in the soko, then don't hesitate to buy Pan Africa Insurance Holding. Won't you?


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the deal
#16 Posted : Friday, April 29, 2011 12:16:48 PM
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@Allegator inflation is 12.5% do u wanna c Uchumi back???...LOL...even Nakumatt wants to stop operating 24hrs...uhmmm back home inflation is 3.4%...wat f am i doing here...lol.
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#17 Posted : Friday, April 29, 2011 12:22:43 PM
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@ Wendz here is some useful reading from Nakumatt on the retail sector in East africa. The potential is huge

http://www.trademarksa.o...eac-policy-supermarkets

According to Neel Shah the Business Development Director "At the current market coverage, the formal retail trade is by far an investor's haven and will without doubt be the next most sort after economic sector in less than two years,"

In the next ten years, Nakumatt Holdings is forecasting that close to 25 million customers across the region will have access to formal retail trade facilities. Nakumatt's projection for values monthly sales at US$700million (Sh58.1 billion) mark and selling space reaching close to 40Million sq feet up from 15million square feet today.

According to a market research conducted by Nakumatt which is the biggest player in the regional retail market, the sector is currently not leveled and favours the informal operators. Formal retail according to the research covers only about 20 per cent of the market.
VituVingiSana
#18 Posted : Friday, April 29, 2011 3:31:32 PM
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the deal wrote:
@Allegator "even Nakumatt wants to stop operating 24hrs..."

Please give us sources... Maybe 1 or 2 locations otherwise the 24 hour places remain busy. Very, very busy!
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#19 Posted : Friday, April 29, 2011 6:12:48 PM
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Lifestyle and Ngong Road not 24 hrs anymore. Former 7am - 10pm, latter will close at midnight. Not that I care as I'm an Uchumi diehard.
VituVingiSana
#20 Posted : Friday, April 29, 2011 7:29:05 PM
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Gordon Gekko wrote:
Lifestyle and Ngong Road not 24 hrs anymore. Former 7am - 10pm, latter will close at midnight. Not that I care as I'm an Uchumi diehard.
@GG - That's my point... Only 2 locations. I think there might be a security issue as well. Mega, Ukay remains open. Also 24 hrs in Mombasa & Kisumu.
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