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Dubious - Looking to connect with Kenyans who are driven.
innairobi
#21 Posted : Thursday, April 28, 2011 9:12:20 AM
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Brilliant post.

Differences between Kenyans and Kenyamericans are mainly due to culture (e.g. how each 'normally' communicates) & stereotypes (Lazy Kenyans can earn & learn from my bottomless fountain of riches & knowledge -vs- Kenyamericans are full of it when we know they are flipping burgers & washing the aged).

Probably an extreme version of what Nairobi and Mombasa residents think/thought of each other.

jasonhill wrote:
We need a moratorium on this "West" concept.

Let's take a year, and pretend that the "West" doesn't exist and never did.

Western aid, Western NGOs, diplomats, statements, visas, western universities, western jobs, education, movies, music, media, clothing, attitude, beliefs, statistics, expectation, EVERYTHING.

Let's just ignore it all for ONE year.

And lets rely on what WE know, have learned, and have experienced. Know what you know, but just forget where you learned it, and see if it's still worth knowing.

Now, In one month without the West, where are we? We are precisely where we were at. But within a year without hating, loving, admiring, aping, trusting, suspecting, relying on, seeing or listening to this "West" concept, maybe, just maybe we can focus on ourselves and stop this incessant colonial mindset of divide and conquer, back-and-forth, bickering and infighting.

It's painfully obvious that all the issues on the continent seem to all lead back to hating, loving, admiring, aping, trusting, suspecting, relying on, seeing or listening to this "West" thing.

It's the evening, and we are all staring West, blinded hopelessly by the sun. Let's look away for a minute. Now can you see? That man next to you is YOUR brother. You can't win if WE can't win.

Without the West blinding you with bling and bright lights, you could look away and regain clear sight, with all your increased worldly knowledge and capability right at this very moment.

What would you do?

Anything you put your mind to.

Hill


All my friends are heathens, take it slow. Wait for them to ask you who you know. Please don't make any sudden moves.
luttz
#22 Posted : Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:41:38 AM
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Good posts here.

@ Rollout, this is typical of Wazua. While you may have an impressive CV, be reminded that this forum has great minds too. Very successful people with great CV's as well. When you approach the forum with an imposing personality, you ca be assured to receive the treatment you have received. If anything, we have see many people return from "Stato" with nothing except the American accent. We have seen many others who came back quietly but with great and impressive CV's and worthy millions of Kenya shillings. That a side, do not loose site of what you aspire to achieve. However, as mentioned in one of the posts, there was no need to start your introduction the way you did" Neither job hunting nor searching for a wife". The introduction alone says so much of the typical you.
"You've never lived until you've almost died; for those who have fought for it, life has a flavour the protected will never know."
fantony
#23 Posted : Thursday, April 28, 2011 3:32:45 PM
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are you interested in real estate?
bendi3
#24 Posted : Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:41:20 PM
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Joined: 9/14/2010
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Rollout wrote:
Hello everyone! I am a Kenyan, 28 yrs old, I left the country 10 yrs ago for education and I have lived in USA ever since, I will be making my first trip in 10 yrs not to look for a woman to marry but to visit my family and in process to also try to meet people who can help me understand more about the opportunities in Kenya and atleast have something to take away.
I am not in anyway looking for a job but I am open to investment opportunities, a little of myself; Professionaly, I am a senior Merger and acquisition analyst with a fortune 20 insurance company with just over $2.3 billion(6 companies) complete mergers executed within the last 12 months. Before that, I was a senior financial analyst for a fortune 20 Bank. I would like to meet anyone in healthcare insurance business, Hedge Funds, Private equity funds, IB and start up businesses. I think we can learn from each other. Thanks

Guys,first answer the greeting before anything else.....................
Hello Rollout.Welcome to Kenya after 10 years away from home.This ten years have been great.When you left my grandmother had no way of communicating other than me visiting her.Now she owns a kabambe and knows a thing or two about greenhouse farming and mpesing.

When you left,we were on the verge of making history by ending a dynasty in kenya.We ended that and we are now in the process of RE-creating a new one.I do not know if you were present among the thousands of people present for your president's inaguration,or whether you even voted,but in kenya i have had the chance of having my pinky coloured (sometimes in iremovable ink) so many times without any tangible change and attended so many 'inagurations' that i know my way around streets where teargas does not reach.

But all is well my dear brother.In 10 years,we have managed to grow our GDP by comendeable rates,this according to government reports.The same government reports that vehemently deny that the poor are becoming poorer each passing day.

You are not looking for a wife nor a job.Pity.....Even if you are not looking for one,just pretend you are.It matters to look at prospects you might change your mind and end up with a gachugwa,as for the job,you might be creating yourself a chance to be an ambassador in the next government depending on who you talk to.

I do not know about investments so much,mine was to welcome you back home.

P/S bring me a bugger from McDonalds,or do they sell fries?

yours trully,
bendi.
The early worm, is the one caught by the early bird.........
erifloss
#25 Posted : Thursday, April 28, 2011 4:58:15 PM
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Joined: 6/21/2010
Posts: 514
Location: Nairobi
bendi3 wrote:
Rollout wrote:
Hello everyone! I am a Kenyan, 28 yrs old, I left the country 10 yrs ago for education and I have lived in USA ever since, I will be making my first trip in 10 yrs not to look for a woman to marry but to visit my family and in process to also try to meet people who can help me understand more about the opportunities in Kenya and atleast have something to take away.
I am not in anyway looking for a job but I am open to investment opportunities, a little of myself; Professionaly, I am a senior Merger and acquisition analyst with a fortune 20 insurance company with just over $2.3 billion(6 companies) complete mergers executed within the last 12 months. Before that, I was a senior financial analyst for a fortune 20 Bank. I would like to meet anyone in healthcare insurance business, Hedge Funds, Private equity funds, IB and start up businesses. I think we can learn from each other. Thanks

Guys,first answer the greeting before anything else.....................
Hello Rollout.Welcome to Kenya after 10 years away from home.This ten years have been great.When you left my grandmother had no way of communicating other than me visiting her.Now she owns a kabambe and knows a thing or two about greenhouse farming and mpesing.

When you left,we were on the verge of making history by ending a dynasty in kenya.We ended that and we are now in the process of RE-creating a new one.I do not know if you were present among the thousands of people present for your president's inaguration,or whether you even voted,but in kenya i have had the chance of having my pinky coloured (sometimes in iremovable ink) so many times without any tangible change and attended so many 'inagurations' that i know my way around streets where teargas does not reach.

But all is well my dear brother.In 10 years,we have managed to grow our GDP by comendeable rates,this according to government reports.The same government reports that vehemently deny that the poor are becoming poorer each passing day.

You are not looking for a wife nor a job.Pity.....Even if you are not looking for one,just pretend you are.It matters to look at prospects you might change your mind and end up with a gachugwa,as for the job,you might be creating yourself a chance to be an ambassador in the next government depending on who you talk to.

I do not know about investments so much,mine was to welcome you back home.

P/S bring me a bugger from McDonalds,or do they sell fries?

yours trully,
bendi.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
'They say money cannot buy me happiness but when i compare when i had none and now, i'm happier' Kevin O'leary
Rollout
#26 Posted : Thursday, April 28, 2011 5:29:19 PM
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@ Alma...yes merger at that level could also be a good strategy.
@ Fantony... my main interest is learning from some people back there and having a take away, if that will be about real estate then thats great, but in overall I just want to learn more about the general business soundness of investing in Kenya, the risk of investing in some of these developing countries is somehow wrongly estimated and learning is the first part.
@ Luttz I know Kenya and Wazua have great minds, but I don't think great minds are stupidly arrogant, I have interacted with few of the smartest people and if anyone does that you can learn alot from them espacially on how much they try to learn and connect with people who can help them, I am not here to help anyone, I am not here to help USA or Kenya, I am here to help myself it is upto anyone to judge if it is a win win situition, If in the process of me trying to help myself you benefit thats great. A few days ago I connected with a Friend from a few years ago, He is 26yrs one of the smartest Kenyan Harvard undergra and currently finishing Oxford Phd what I was interested is his research project and the potential of a business opportunity out of his project and what he was interested is how he can finance his project which is based in a remote village in Uganda, he didn't feel threaten by me and I didn't feel threaten by him, that is how I think we should relate, you're stupid if you beat you chest because you have Ksh 1 million, thats is pocket change to alot of people, lower the pride it is not gonna get you anywhere.Mr Luttz, this doesnt apply to you but to people lik Erifloss

@ Erifloss... you remind me of those kids back in school who always were too eager to prove someone wrong instead of eager to learn, I want to tell you that, you probably think you know alot about the US or US companies but until you're there or you're intimately involve with dealings with those companies they're assesment that you cannot make, Like I cannot come here and make assesment about equity bank or Safaricom, I can make overal assesment but I cannot act like I know them that much. I noticed that you listed the companies that went down in USA and compared to the companies that came up in Kenya, that is actually wrong in the first place, you compare success with success, down with down and just to get the record straight the losses that AIG, cITI, FREDDI, FENNIE... in 2010 adds to $108 billion, the profit that fortune 100 companies in 2010 is $325 billion.
bird_man
#27 Posted : Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:23:31 PM
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@Rollout . . .If that CV of yours is for real . . .I suggest you open a LinkedIn account.I also suspect that some of your pals or workmates in your fortune . . .companies have some Kenyan contacts.I think you will be more successful then.But that will work if indeed your CV and assertions are true.Since you are so smart,educated and handling millions and billions of dollars . . .stop the exchanges with these 3rd world people.Haha!
Formally employed people often live their employers' dream & forget about their own.
Rollout
#28 Posted : Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:46:59 PM
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@bird_man, my initial thought about wazua was that it is potentially a place where the're young, smart and creative people eager to progress, I didn't think this place could turn out to be a "I am better than you even if you're in a developed country" environment. I have a Linkedln account but you'll be surprise how many people actually check the yahoo, gmail accounts leave alone track the Linkedln.
Just to correct you, nobody is so smart or so educated and by the way a few people have or even know Kenya from the business perspective,wallstreet IB are only interested in offering advisory services to countries like kenya but no one want to invest money!

Anyway, now I know how this place is!
erifloss
#29 Posted : Thursday, April 28, 2011 7:52:35 PM
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Location: Nairobi
@rollout, 'ignorance is no defence.' 10 years in the States and you can now proudly refer to you birth country as 'these third world countries', i am a proud citizen of this red black and green republic that you seem to think nothing of.
Some of us here have travelled far and wide others stay in Kenya for less than a week in a month and you never find them shouting nonsense here. Some guys here are savvy Kenyan investors and funny enough don't even reside in Kenya a good example is the deal, we even have threads that check on foreign markets(please read the various threads to see how brilliant minds work)
We are also proud of the meagre millions we manage, please inject and manage your billions of dollars using your 'brilliant' mind with the assistance of your 'brilliant' phd friends.
As the the saying goes, 'the ignorant assume they know while the arrogant think they are brilliant.' Combine both and you get a fully useless ignorant arrogant but 'brilliant' mind and with that i fully close this nonsense.

'They say money cannot buy me happiness but when i compare when i had none and now, i'm happier' Kevin O'leary
holycow
#30 Posted : Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:16:15 PM
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I use a matatu. Hope that qualifies as driven.Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
How about sinking some of those dollars into paka. Being an acquisition and merger specialist, go ahead and have Kengen acquire Eveready so that Kenya gets more power.
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