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Dubious - Looking to connect with Kenyans who are driven.
erifloss
#11 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 9:41:03 PM
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I'm with Sparly on this, sorry to say this but truly for lack of a better word rollout, you are full of bullshit. We've got brilliant minds around and Wazua is a testimony(check out various threads case in point todays coop and see the analysis done). Trying to praise the US as a tower of greatness and opportunity while you know that their wealth and most of the west came about coz of my sweet motherland Africa.
1. The cars you say they own are on credit, i'm better off living my kids tangible assets rather than a long useless credit history.
2. The country you admire and praise so much is in a 14 trillion dollar debt hole and is only safe coz its currency is the world reserve currency. Even brilliant investors are getting out.
3. They caused the recession.
4. They so much praise capitalist ideology but yet when their institutions are in shit they lean on the Keynesian theory.
I can go on & on coz the list is endless. And just a btw we have the best success stories in Africa.
Kweli mwacha mila ni 'MTUMWA'
'They say money cannot buy me happiness but when i compare when i had none and now, i'm happier' Kevin O'leary
KenyanLyrics
#12 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 10:45:51 PM
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Location: Nairobi
Yes. Watch when these Americans attack Kenya with holier than thou accusations like the 'sea of corruption' nonsense, kumbe them they stole literally TRILLIONS of dollars from public coffers to cause a full blown recession! You Kenyamericans should also watch with your talk of managing billions in the States and now coming back to humbly serve Kenya. That is a favourite pickup line for con men
erifloss
#13 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 10:58:29 PM
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@kenyanlyrics, they got an acceptable word and coined it to fit bribing legislators in LOBBYING. I never understand when an African praises a country that does not even respect the country he hails from.
'They say money cannot buy me happiness but when i compare when i had none and now, i'm happier' Kevin O'leary
Rollout
#14 Posted : Wednesday, April 27, 2011 11:47:17 PM
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@Erifloss.
Anyone who finish their statement with- we've the best success story in africa is delusional- I am also surprised by your reaction, I am not here to defend USA, but the thinking that Western countries developed because they stole resource from developing countries is a typical propaganda that have been used by Third world countries tyrants and politicians for generation to distract and therefore steal from their people.If you've not realised that, then you're stupid. Africa in underdeveloped because of poor management of resources, corruption and political instability driven by ignorance. I don't blame you because I know you've never gone out there and see how a country is suppose to treat its citizens.
I am impressed you know how much debt US federal government have, I challenge you to expand your research and find out how much wealth American Corporations have and how that wealth is generated, You'll learn that they make their money by hardwork, constant research, good management and constant drive to success by people who work for them.if you do that, you might be able to help our country
Rollout
#15 Posted : Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:20:47 AM
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.. AnywaY I think some people are becoming a distraction here, I am still interest in meeting the kind of people I mention early.
KenyanLyrics
#16 Posted : Thursday, April 28, 2011 12:28:36 AM
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@Rollout, that argument is so weak. Africa has very young countries, all less than 100 years old. When your beloved America was still young, the atrocities people were committing in the name of scrambling for wealth are incomparable to what we see in Africa. People were killing each other in the name of gold and oil, hunting the real Native Americans for fun, surely even the land you reside upon is stolen from 'Indians!' Come to Europe, most European countries spent their youth assigning thousands of hectares to kings with the utmost impunity, and killing each other over which chapters should be in the bible for heavens sake! So don't come over here trying to chastise African countries that are young and growing! We have the right to grow and chart our own destinies without external meddling, just like those developed countries did.
kanduma
#17 Posted : Thursday, April 28, 2011 1:55:11 AM
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Its true Africa has very young countries but we need to learn from the mistakes this countries made and do better than them.
If you are in U.S or Europe contribute and make Kenya better not just a matter of praising them,be a better citizen and if you cant do that Wachana na sisi na ukae huko.
Lets help one another in solving our problems(tribalism,poverty e.t.c) not just playing the blame game
life is a swinging pendulum,dont stay up too long to forget that you could come down]
alma
#18 Posted : Thursday, April 28, 2011 5:00:16 AM
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@Rollout You are fighting a losing battle here. Some people will just smirk at you the moment you say America. Trust me I know.

There is this silly attitude that everyone from the US is "feeling hot". You will get sentence after sentence about how Kenya is the greatest country in the world then 10 minutes later from the same person will come words like mpigs etc. Just read the posts from the fellows who just posted.

So take my advice, avoid mentioning it too much as you will be hurting someone's ego.

As for your ideas, I love ideas and if your resume is what you say it is, then I pity anyone who doesn't take the opportunity to learn. Good luck. Maybe you can tell me a good way to start merging and acquiring a few kiosks in my area.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
jasonhill
#19 Posted : Thursday, April 28, 2011 6:18:03 AM
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Location: Chicago, IL, USA
We need a moratorium on this "West" concept.

Let's take a year, and pretend that the "West" doesn't exist and never did.

Western aid, Western NGOs, diplomats, statements, visas, western universities, western jobs, education, movies, music, media, clothing, attitude, beliefs, statistics, expectation, EVERYTHING.

Let's just ignore it all for ONE year.

And lets rely on what WE know, have learned, and have experienced. Know what you know, but just forget where you learned it, and see if it's still worth knowing.

Now, In one month without the West, where are we? We are precisely where we were at. But within a year without hating, loving, admiring, aping, trusting, suspecting, relying on, seeing or listening to this "West" concept, maybe, just maybe we can focus on ourselves and stop this incessant colonial mindset of divide and conquer, back-and-forth, bickering and infighting.

It's painfully obvious that all the issues on the continent seem to all lead back to hating, loving, admiring, aping, trusting, suspecting, relying on, seeing or listening to this "West" thing.

It's the evening, and we are all staring West, blinded hopelessly by the sun. Let's look away for a minute. Now can you see? That man next to you is YOUR brother. You can't win if WE can't win.

Without the West blinding you with bling and bright lights, you could look away and regain clear sight, with all your increased worldly knowledge and capability right at this very moment.

What would you do?

Anything you put your mind to.

Hill

erifloss
#20 Posted : Thursday, April 28, 2011 8:54:33 AM
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@Rollout, i do take your challenge on wealth held by American corps.
1. Bear Sterns by every 'wall street's' standard was big.
2. Lehmann filed for bankrulptcy being stripped as we talk selling some of its good businesses at throw away prices.
3. AIG after 60 years in business bailed by govt after taking too much risk in terms of insurance hedges (more than 0.5 trillion dollars)
4. Detroit based motor companies were basically kept alive by the govt so as to have chance while competing with the Toyota's & Nissan's of the world.
5. Wealth through Enron, Worldcom, Madoff c'mon!
6. Merryl Lynch bought by BOA that was saved by the govt.
7. Some of the largest IPO's have been out of the US.
8. Most of GE's operations are in China. Why?
9. Lots of insider trading that go into billions where people lose their pensions take the above and Sri Lankan as an example.
10. WB is even going to India for investment options.
11. Google being investigated for malpractices.
12. Using quants to make CDO's to make money. C'mon.
The list is endless.

Success stories in Africa:
1. Largest diamond co. from SA.
2. First cellphone money transfer safcom Kenya.
3. Mobile commerce. Still Mpesa/Zap Kenya.
4. After Grameen, Equity steps into the building.
5. Ask yourself why funds like soros, banks like HSBC are rushing in?
6. Scangroup. Wpp had to rush in.
7. Eabl. Diageo rushed in.
8. Bamburi. Larfarge came rushin in.
You being the investment banker i think you know why these companies are rushing in!
The list is endless and we do make clean money too even though corruption is here and lobbying is there.
'They say money cannot buy me happiness but when i compare when i had none and now, i'm happier' Kevin O'leary
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