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Anticipation of KCB Q1 results 2011
erifloss
#21 Posted : Sunday, April 24, 2011 11:22:40 PM
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If CBK continues to tighten up and cash strap these banks as they are doing right now & continue increasing interest rates, then i don't see the same growth or near the same growth in the banking sector this year as it was last year. Some of these banks made exponential growth from one-off items especially bond trading a good example being DTB.
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madmanlabs
#22 Posted : Sunday, April 24, 2011 11:41:43 PM
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erifloss wrote:
If CBK continues to tighten up and cash strap these banks as they are doing right now & continue increasing interest rates, then i don't see the same growth or near the same growth in the banking sector this year as it was last year. Some of these banks made exponential growth from one-off items especially bond trading a good example being DTB.
www.businessdailyafrica....8/-/t3mayvz/-/index.html


I see the banking sector growing far and beyond anything it's ever been. Mortgages are at an all-time high and they will keep getting more as Kenyans wake up to the fact that we're exposing ourselves to the Real Estate meltdowns that the US experiences. I'd say keep all your bank stocks, esp. KCB.
guru267
#23 Posted : Sunday, April 24, 2011 11:55:43 PM
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erifloss wrote:
If CBK continues to tighten up and cash strap these banks as they are doing right now & continue increasing interest rates, then i don't see the same growth or near the same growth in the banking sector this year as it was last year. Some of these banks made exponential growth from one-off items especially bond trading a good example being DTB.
www.businessdailyafrica....8/-/t3mayvz/-/index.html

Banks will just pass the rise to the consumer and at the moment demand for loanz is inelastic..
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erifloss
#24 Posted : Monday, April 25, 2011 1:02:56 AM
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guru267 wrote:
erifloss wrote:
If CBK continues to tighten up and cash strap these banks as they are doing right now & continue increasing interest rates, then i don't see the same growth or near the same growth in the banking sector this year as it was last year. Some of these banks made exponential growth from one-off items especially bond trading a good example being DTB.
www.businessdailyafrica....8/-/t3mayvz/-/index.html

Banks will just pass the rise to the consumer and at the moment demand for loanz is inelastic..

True, though you should remember that we are moving towards less cash chasing more goods and services. People save and invest the excesses thus banks that highly rely on common mwananchi are going to have it rough as compared to the ones that mostly deal with body corporates and high net worth individuals and this is when banks like stanchart make a kill and banks like equity find themselves in the slow growth zone. @madmanlabs, you only go for a mortgage when you are sure you can and will be able to repay and you can only do this with your surplus income thus during this inflationary period, uprising in the middle east, the US debt at an all time high, consumer spending down and commodity prices rising by the day i don't see some of the growth areas flourishing.
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youcan'tstopusnow
#25 Posted : Monday, April 25, 2011 10:08:13 AM
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erifloss, are you predicting flat Q1 results?
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guru267
#26 Posted : Monday, April 25, 2011 10:39:41 AM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
erifloss, are you predicting flat Q1 results?

He/she would not dare. smile
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QW25071985
#27 Posted : Monday, April 25, 2011 11:35:35 AM
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Basically the profit is single digit but certainly and improvement from the last based on its on going price action ( factorin in if u wanna call it that way)
Cde Monomotapa
#28 Posted : Monday, April 25, 2011 11:41:19 AM
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QW25071985 wrote:
Basically the profit is single digit but certainly and improvement from the last based on its on going price action ( factorin in if u wanna call it that way)

Which bank r u refn.to?
guru267
#29 Posted : Monday, April 25, 2011 12:26:51 PM
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QW25071985 wrote:
Basically the profit is single digit but certainly and improvement from the last based on its on going price action ( factorin in if u wanna call it that way)

If you are talking about KCB can we place a wazua sanctioned OFFICIAL BET on it
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Cde Monomotapa
#30 Posted : Monday, April 25, 2011 12:42:10 PM
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guru267 wrote:
QW25071985 wrote:
Basically the profit is single digit but certainly and improvement from the last based on its on going price action ( factorin in if u wanna call it that way)

If you are talking about KCB can we place a wazua sanctioned OFFICIAL BET on it

erifloss
#31 Posted : Monday, April 25, 2011 1:23:40 PM
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guru267 wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
erifloss, are you predicting flat Q1 results?

He/she would not dare. smile

Basically for the first two months banks might have made a kill but in March i'm sure they've had problems(loan repayment rates etc). The real effect will be felt in Q2, @guru, the western world are calling it the 'African revolution or rennaissance' and that's why the big banks are rushing in in drones even got some info that BB Plc have actually sent 2 of their directors to live in Kenya coz they don't want to miss this. with all this said, we live in a globalized society and there will always be a knockdown effect. Kindly look at the performance of most Western banks and you'll realise that the writings are on the wall (JM sold his shares stating that he was following statutory regulations? BBK reducing employee costs? KCB going BBK's route? Big banks going after the SME market segment?)
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tonicasert
#32 Posted : Monday, April 25, 2011 1:28:23 PM
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I think the biggest downfall in Q1, and a larger extent in Q2 is the bond trading and revaluation income. Banks that didnt offload earlier in the year will have to revalue at a loss.

Then the latter half of the year will have write downs of bad loans as inflation effects bites.

Expansion in the region is the only way that will lift assets and profitability
Cde Monomotapa
#33 Posted : Monday, April 25, 2011 1:43:50 PM
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M.O.O was very clear during the press release of Q3 FY2010 results that they intend to be active as a lender in the inter-bank mkt due to excess yet to be deployed deposits (loans) KCB has. Now, at the time inter-bank rates were btwn 1-1.5% as of the 15th of April inter-bank rate was 5.4%. Presuming KCB did do what they said as above then it's mo money, mo money!!
youcan'tstopusnow
#34 Posted : Monday, April 25, 2011 1:57:40 PM
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guru267 wrote:
QW25071985 wrote:
Basically the profit is single digit but certainly and improvement from the last based on its on going price action ( factorin in if u wanna call it that way)

If you are talking about KCB can we place a wazua sanctioned OFFICIAL BET on it

He has problems with those
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
youcan'tstopusnow
#35 Posted : Monday, April 25, 2011 2:13:37 PM
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tonicasert wrote:
Expansion in the region is the only way that will lift assets and profitability

Are banks not already doing this? On this front, I think Equity's foray into Rwanda is great as its model will fit into that market
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youcan'tstopusnow
#36 Posted : Monday, April 25, 2011 2:17:48 PM
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Banks may have made money from forex
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guru267
#37 Posted : Monday, April 25, 2011 2:34:27 PM
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erifloss wrote:
guru267 wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
erifloss, are you predicting flat Q1 results?

He/she would not dare. smile

Basically for the first two months banks might have made a kill but in March i'm sure they've had problems(loan repayment rates etc). The real effect will be felt in Q2, @guru, the western world are calling it the 'African revolution or rennaissance' and that's why the big banks are rushing in in drones even got some info that BB Plc have actually sent 2 of their directors to live in Kenya coz they don't want to miss this. with all this said, we live in a globalized society and there will always be a knockdown effect. Kindly look at the performance of most Western banks and you'll realise that the writings are on the wall (JM sold his shares stating that he was following statutory regulations? BBK reducing employee costs? KCB going BBK's route? Big banks going after the SME market segment?)


@erifloss I am very bullish on the growth trajectory of kenyan banks and particularly KCB....

This bank is on a 3 year mission to drive the cost to income ratio down from 65% to the industry average of 53% which effectively rising the profits from the current 9.8 billion to a modest 15 billion in 2013.
This can happen no matter the environment because it is a ratio that management has set out to correct.

They also set to make return on assets at the industry average level and if thet did that one profits would be blown away..

All this will be observed in KCB's q1 results relative to those of the other banks..
I cant wait smile
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erifloss
#38 Posted : Monday, April 25, 2011 2:58:46 PM
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guru267 wrote:
erifloss wrote:
guru267 wrote:
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
erifloss, are you predicting flat Q1 results?

He/she would not dare. smile

Basically for the first two months banks might have made a kill but in March i'm sure they've had problems(loan repayment rates etc). The real effect will be felt in Q2, @guru, the western world are calling it the 'African revolution or rennaissance' and that's why the big banks are rushing in in drones even got some info that BB Plc have actually sent 2 of their directors to live in Kenya coz they don't want to miss this. with all this said, we live in a globalized society and there will always be a knockdown effect. Kindly look at the performance of most Western banks and you'll realise that the writings are on the wall (JM sold his shares stating that he was following statutory regulations? BBK reducing employee costs? KCB going BBK's route? Big banks going after the SME market segment?)


@erifloss I am very bullish on the growth trajectory of kenyan banks and particularly KCB....

This bank is on a 3 year mission to drive the cost to income ratio down from 65% to the industry average of 53% which effectively rising the profits from the current 9.8 billion to a modest 15 billion in 2013.
This can happen no matter the environment because it is a ratio that management has set out to correct.

They also set to make return on assets at the industry average level and if thet did that one profits would be blown away..

All this will be observed in KCB's q1 results relative to those of the other banks..
I cant wait smile

@guru, as for q1 results will be good but not very good. As for q2 you will separate banks that can withstand the heat from the ones that can't. As cde has put it it will be on the basis of strategy, the deposits one holds & the calibre of clients they lend to. As one member once said once a business starts to concentrate on other biz that is not its core biz or reduce expenses to improve profitability then there is a problem.
'They say money cannot buy me happiness but when i compare when i had none and now, i'm happier' Kevin O'leary
youcan'tstopusnow
#39 Posted : Monday, April 25, 2011 3:05:02 PM
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erifloss quantify good and very good. Good = 30%? Very good = 50% and above?
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QW25071985
#40 Posted : Monday, April 25, 2011 3:20:56 PM
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youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
guru267 wrote:
QW25071985 wrote:
Basically the profit is single digit but certainly and improvement from the last based on its on going price action ( factorin in if u wanna call it that way)

If you are talking about KCB can we place a wazua sanctioned OFFICIAL BET on it

He has problems with those


@ guru267 .THE BET IS ON !!!!!!!!!!!

just for clarity .rules of the bet

i am saying profit is SINGLE DIGIT i.e 0-9 and you are sayin profit is double digit i.e from 10 - upwards.

Okay since that is out of the way.if i win you are comin over to my crib ...Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly . we dnt know what might transpire . if you win your wish is my command...simple...
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