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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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Carbacid which traded 307,000 shares yesterday traded 4.606m shares worth 603.302m which was in fact 79.274% of the Entire Volume at the Bourse today. The 2 Day Cumulative total shares traded is 4.913m shares which equates to 14.458% of the Shareholding of the Company and hence is quite material. Carbacid traded a 130.00-133.00 range and closed 3.7% lower on the session at 130.00. Carbacid trades on a 14.36 Trailing PE but saw EPS ease to 4.03 versus 4.58 for the Previous Equivalent 1st Half. Carbacid has posted a 2.00% return over 1 Year but has retreated 7.14% in 2011. Source: www.rich.co.keThat spike in volume is quiet interesting. Story also here http://contrarianinvesti...um-exiting-carbacid.html
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 1,558 Location: Nairobi
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OOOOLDDDD NEWS......
Boss Centum have been offloading for like 2months....infact it was on eastafrican zamani....
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/3/2011 Posts: 264 Location: Nairobi
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They're trying to lock in on the profits before year end june. Their company report says that they continually and actively restructure their quoted equity portfolio. so its not such a big fuss. what worries me is the re-entry of pepsi, Sab millers and softa soda. Their entry into the real estate market when things are slowing down also worries me. Director's interest int the company and related companies is also of great concern.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 1,558 Location: Nairobi
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Sell ur most profitable and reliable stock and thats not a big worry?? really??!!!!
They're selling coz: -Need to raise cash for the property thing..abit late to join the party??!!) -Crap 2nd half results... =DJCK Possibly didnt get their way at Carb?? -Perhaps they were not happy with the 13% drop in profitability of CARB??
Then again,....who bought the shares??
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/11/2006 Posts: 900
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Looks like everybody is going into real estate. Even the likes of kk, kenre. This sector might soon not be lucrative “Invest in yourself. Your career is the engine of your wealth.”
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/3/2007 Posts: 18,261 Location: Nairobi
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KK's real estate foray is in Ethiopia, Burundi & Uganda not Kenya [from what I understand based on the Press Releases & Annual Report] KK owns a 17,000m2 piece of land in central Addis Ababa which means they can get a good price for it... Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/3/2011 Posts: 264 Location: Nairobi
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Horton wrote:Sell ur most profitable and reliable stock and thats not a big worry?? really??!!!!
They're selling coz: -Need to raise cash for the property thing..abit late to join the party??!!) -Crap 2nd half results... =DJCK Possibly didnt get their way at Carb?? -Perhaps they were not happy with the 13% drop in profitability of CARB??
Then again,....who bought the shares?? At the end of the day, i do believe they did the right thing by selling of carbacid. Centum's much bigger than carbacid, which was not their most profitable venture.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 1,558 Location: Nairobi
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@muthawamunene....for those of us who have been in the market long enough, we dont have alot of respect for companies like Centum after the uchumi debacle and in general speculator type tendancies when they bought into KQ at 120 bob....so i think it is a bubu to get in to real estate at this time when rental yield are less than 5%.... The other bubu they luckily pulled out virtually unscathed was RVR but here luck purely worked in there favour
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/3/2011 Posts: 264 Location: Nairobi
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Horton wrote:@muthawamunene....for those of us who have been in the market long enough, we dont have alot of respect for companies like Centum after the uchumi debacle and in general speculator type tendancies when they bought into KQ at 120 bob....so i think it is a bubu to get in to real estate at this time when rental yield are less than 5%.... The other bubu they luckily pulled out virtually unscathed was RVR but here luck purely worked in there favour i dnt have much respect for them either and i do agree that they came to the real Estate rave at 4 in the morning. They may have made a bubu with k.q but their exit of carbacid makes hell of alot sense to me. Truth be told always snobbed centum till i learned that the ceo was 32 years of age, and i started reading up on it, but getting in is another issue. Ebu share more issues, blanders and maybe good plays theyve made.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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Guys centum is not entering real estate market for thd purposes of rent but for thd purpose of resale... And the last I checked property prices are solidly heading north... I'm in love with the company's growth strategy and the 100% reinvestment of retained earnings until 2014 is going to explode shareholder value. Just wait for their full year results and prepare to be blown away.. Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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But Carbacid went all the way to 320 in 2009 when they were admitted back to bourse...how come they didn't sell then? Also read somewhere they paid 150 Ksh a share...i think they're just trying to shore up this years earnings.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 1/21/2010 Posts: 6,675 Location: Nairobi
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O the deal wrote:.i think they're just trying to show up this years earnings. That cant be possible because their year end is march 31st.. And it is no secret they are selling their equity holdings to fund their real estate venture. Mark 12:29 Deuteronomy 4:16
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/15/2006 Posts: 3,906
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guru267 wrote:I'm in love with the company's growth... Apart from Jubilee, something else we share in common. Let's wait and see. The guru speaks, and I am listening... 
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/17/2009 Posts: 1,622
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the deal wrote:But Carbacid went all the way to 320 in 2009 when they were admitted back to bourse...how come they didn't sell then? Also read somewhere they paid 150 Ksh a share...i think they're just trying to show up this years earnings. Do you mean shoring up?.If they bought at 150 at 130 it means they have more than doubled their investment considering the 2 for every 1 bonus shares issued,i would do the same if i sensed Carbacid's growth into the future may not be robust.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/30/2007 Posts: 1,558 Location: Nairobi
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@ guru.....the market they plan to enter is way too saturated.....every tom dick n kamau is into real estate these days......also the first 2.8M shares or so were sold before March 31st.....btw, there is also a 30% capital gains waiting for these guys on the other end.....
I dont think CARBs growth is stunted....with the entry of Pepsi and sparkling water(albeit a small part) will probably be exported to various eastern/central african countries...and they obviously need a boat load of CO2....then again time will tell.....
@Guru....u still a fan of JUB?? they made money solely coz of "investment income" which isnt their core business....its a part of any insurance business but by no means a measure of their CORE BUSINESS.... whaddaya think??
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Rank: Chief Joined: 3/24/2010 Posts: 6,779 Location: Black Africa
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Horton people are in real estate cause there is DEMAND. Until a time when supply is more than demand, then... Concerning Jubilee, it is a HOLDINGS company, as guru has clearly put it before GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
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Rank: Chief Joined: 1/13/2011 Posts: 5,964
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muganda wrote:guru267 wrote:I'm in love with the company's growth... Apart from Jubilee, something else we share in common. Let's wait and see. The guru speaks, and I am listening...  Sycophant! Lol!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/25/2009 Posts: 4,534 Location: Windhoek/Nairobbery
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cnn wrote:the deal wrote:But Carbacid went all the way to 320 in 2009 when they were admitted back to bourse...how come they didn't sell then? Also read somewhere they paid 150 Ksh a share...i think they're just trying to show up this years earnings. Do you mean shoring up?.If they bought at 150 at 130 it means they have more than doubled their investment considering the 2 for every 1 bonus shares issued,i would do the same if i sensed Carbacid's growth into the future may not be robust. Chief yes i meant shoring up  but this Centum guys are not the ones you would like to see among the top 10 shareholders of a Company you hold..like someone said they tend to be fantastic SPECULATORS
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/3/2011 Posts: 264 Location: Nairobi
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Which is the lesser evil, centum or the soon to be listed transcentury.
if centum's 2010 annual report and HY 2010-2011 were love letters, they're doin hell of a good job kuniingiza box! damn!
But many a man that fell inlove with the dimple, made the mistake of marrying the whole girl. Needs careful trending this one. The market comfort zone that they have is now endangered. pinning a position on this one is hard, so my answer is what any man with two willies would answer when asked which side he leans- get in half way, wait for more news(may be release of final results, then decide on the next step.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/21/2010 Posts: 514 Location: Nairobi
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Muthawamunene wrote:Which is the lesser evil, centum or the soon to be listed transcentury.
if centum's 2010 annual report and HY 2010-2011 were love letters, they're doin hell of a good job kuniingiza box! damn!
But many a man that fell inlove with the dimple, made the mistake of marrying the whole girl. Needs careful trending this one. The market comfort zone that they have is now endangered. pinning a position on this one is hard, so my answer is what any man with two willies would answer when asked which side he leans- get in half way, wait for more news(may be release of final results, then decide on the next step. Transcentury is more of an equity fund as opposed to Centum that are in it for quick profits(kind of reminds me of investment banks and crazy growth). I'm in it for money period & the one that gives more is where i'll be. 'They say money cannot buy me happiness but when i compare when i had none and now, i'm happier' Kevin O'leary
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