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ojazy
#21 Posted : Saturday, April 23, 2011 12:25:34 PM
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lovely2010 wrote:
ojazy wrote:
jerry wrote:
lovely2010 wrote:
:-
ojazy wrote:
lovely2010 wrote:
That is very true...


what is lovely?

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

@Ojazy, did u mean 'What is true?'


yes i did...what is true?


Hii imekuwa kitabu cha amezidi...I meant its true it takes 4 days for settlement to take place


na bado daangu,bado unga!...thanx,i get.
Cde Monomotapa
#22 Posted : Saturday, April 23, 2011 1:15:11 PM
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Yipee! Yet another oppurtunity for me to qoute.."This is not a fish market, right?!" LOL!
invest0r
#23 Posted : Saturday, April 23, 2011 2:38:03 PM
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The winner of 2010 NSE investment challenge were able to achieve 90% growth in their portfolio in 3 months period from June to August 2010. These were students like you and they did not have much experience in the market. However as @Cde says, this is not a fish market, start by arming yourself with enough knowledge on stocks trading
ojazy
#24 Posted : Saturday, April 23, 2011 2:38:16 PM
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Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Yipee! Yet another oppurtunity for me to qoute.."This is not a fish market, right?!" LOL!


not yet it aint...im thinkin of starting a fish processing company that will go public in 5yrs..tell me that in 2016
sparkly
#25 Posted : Saturday, April 23, 2011 2:49:23 PM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
ojazy wrote:

...but its all a risky venture isn't it? Whether im in it short term or long term...
My strategy as a begginer would be to buy stocks that have good speculative hype and wait on them to soar in price,sell when i feel it cant rise any more and showing signs of declining...

Thats where the problem lies, you never know which will rise. Often the ones that rise very fast will be due for a correction sooner than later. And the ones that fall are also due for a correction. My strategy is to look for undervalued stocks and wait for a correction upwards.
Life is short. Live passionately.
ojazy
#26 Posted : Saturday, April 23, 2011 3:21:47 PM
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invest0r wrote:
The winner of 2010 NSE investment challenge were able to achieve 90% growth in their portfolio in 3 months period from June to August 2010. These were students like you and they did not have much experience in the market. However as @Cde says, this is not a fish market, start by arming yourself with enough knowledge on stocks trading


thanx investor...yes i saw that in the SYIL website,and thats exactly why im here.this year's competition begins next month,n i want to be ready for it...can you give me more tips please?
ojazy
#27 Posted : Saturday, April 23, 2011 3:24:16 PM
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sparkly wrote:
ojazy wrote:

...but its all a risky venture isn't it? Whether im in it short term or long term...
My strategy as a begginer would be to buy stocks that have good speculative hype and wait on them to soar in price,sell when i feel it cant rise any more and showing signs of declining...

Thats where the problem lies, you never know which will rise. Often the ones that rise very fast will be due for a correction sooner than later. And the ones that fall are also due for a correction. My strategy is to look for undervalued stocks and wait for a correction upwards.


right...so how exactly do you analyse a stock and conclude that it is undervalued?
lovely2010
#28 Posted : Saturday, April 23, 2011 3:40:41 PM
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N/A A company with no earnings has an undefined P/E ratio. By convention, companies with losses (negative earnings) are usually treated as having an undefined P/E ratio, even though a negative P/E ratio can be mathematically determined.

0–10 Either the stock is undervalued or the company's earnings are thought to be in decline. Alternatively, current earnings may be substantially above historic trends or the company may have profited from selling assets.

10–17 For many companies a P/E ratio in this range may be considered fair value.

17–25 Either the stock is overvalued or the company's earnings have increased since the last earnings figure was published. The stock may also be a growth stock with earnings expected to increase substantially in future.

25+ A company whose shares have a very high P/E may have high expected future growth in earnings or the stock may be the subject of a speculative bubble.
QW25071985
#29 Posted : Saturday, April 23, 2011 3:49:22 PM
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Joined: 3/25/2011
Posts: 946
ojazy wrote:
sparkly wrote:
ojazy wrote:

...but its all a risky venture isn't it? Whether im in it short term or long term...
My strategy as a begginer would be to buy stocks that have good speculative hype and wait on them to soar in price,sell when i feel it cant rise any more and showing signs of declining...

Thats where the problem lies, you never know which will rise. Often the ones that rise very fast will be due for a correction sooner than later. And the ones that fall are also due for a correction. My strategy is to look for undervalued stocks and wait for a correction upwards.


right...so how exactly do you analyse a stock and conclude that it is undervalued?



The difficulty here is understanding what the TRUE value really is. The P/B ratio is the easiest way to determine a company's value, but like they say "its not magic"
PB ratio= market price/book value
if that ratio is below 1 than it is undervalued. But you have to look at so many other things, like what is going on in this company if it is "cheap". What is the industries standard.

My other favorite areas when looking at a balance sheet for value is Free cash flow, PE ratios and the PB. I like looking at the management team and product growth numbers. I also look at the technical areas to follow where the good entry/exit points are, but before I do that, I have a general idea what the company is worth.

None of this is magic, but I don't think you can say one thing is the way to go in anything. You need to look at all things, understand yourself to determine what type of investor you are and where your importance lies when making the decision to buy. You have to be comfortable with your decision.

You can also compare the P/E and the expected growth rate of the company The comparison is called the PEG of the stock. If the PEG is below 1.0 there is a possibility that the stock is undervalued. If the PEG is above 2.0 there is a possibility the stock is overvalued. One does have to be very careful using the PEG ratio because it is based on expected growth rates which may or may not be correct.

There very very many ways to calculate the true value of the company...But the underlining word is that YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT FIN. REPORTS CALCULATE
ojazy
#30 Posted : Saturday, April 23, 2011 3:59:33 PM
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lovely2010 wrote:
N/A A company with no earnings has an undefined P/E ratio. By convention, companies with losses (negative earnings) are usually treated as having an undefined P/E ratio, even though a negative P/E ratio can be mathematically determined.

0–10 Either the stock is undervalued or the company's earnings are thought to be in decline. Alternatively, current earnings may be substantially above historic trends or the company may have profited from selling assets.

10–17 For many companies a P/E ratio in this range may be considered fair value.

17–25 Either the stock is overvalued or the company's earnings have increased since the last earnings figure was published. The stock may also be a growth stock with earnings expected to increase substantially in future.

25+ A company whose shares have a very high P/E may have high expected future growth in earnings or the stock may be the subject of a speculative bubble.


Now thats what im talking about.wow!thats amazing.Thanx lovely,i did'nt know that....where can i get more of such info?
lovely2010
#31 Posted : Saturday, April 23, 2011 4:07:08 PM
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Joined: 10/25/2010
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Location: nairobi
ojazy wrote:
lovely2010 wrote:
N/A A company with no earnings has an undefined P/E ratio. By convention, companies with losses (negative earnings) are usually treated as having an undefined P/E ratio, even though a negative P/E ratio can be mathematically determined.

0–10 Either the stock is undervalued or the company's earnings are thought to be in decline. Alternatively, current earnings may be substantially above historic trends or the company may have profited from selling assets.

10–17 For many companies a P/E ratio in this range may be considered fair value.

17–25 Either the stock is overvalued or the company's earnings have increased since the last earnings figure was published. The stock may also be a growth stock with earnings expected to increase substantially in future.

25+ A company whose shares have a very high P/E may have high expected future growth in earnings or the stock may be the subject of a speculative bubble.


Now thats what im talking about.wow!thats amazing.Thanx lovely,i did'nt know that....where can i get more of such info?


wikipedia
ojazy
#32 Posted : Saturday, April 23, 2011 4:09:45 PM
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QW25071985 wrote:
ojazy wrote:
sparkly wrote:
ojazy wrote:

...but its all a risky venture isn't it? Whether im in it short term or long term...
My strategy as a begginer would be to buy stocks that have good speculative hype and wait on them to soar in price,sell when i feel it cant rise any more and showing signs of declining...

Thats where the problem lies, you never know which will rise. Often the ones that rise very fast will be due for a correction sooner than later. And the ones that fall are also due for a correction. My strategy is to look for undervalued stocks and wait for a correction upwards.


right...so how exactly do you analyse a stock and conclude that it is undervalued?



The difficulty here is understanding what the TRUE value really is. The P/B ratio is the easiest way to determine a company's value, but like they say "its not magic"
PB ratio= market price/book value
if that ratio is below 1 than it is undervalued. But you have to look at so many other things, like what is going on in this company if it is "cheap". What is the industries standard.

My other favorite areas when looking at a balance sheet for value is Free cash flow, PE ratios and the PB. I like looking at the management team and product growth numbers. I also look at the technical areas to follow where the good entry/exit points are, but before I do that, I have a general idea what the company is worth.

None of this is magic, but I don't think you can say one thing is the way to go in anything. You need to look at all things, understand yourself to determine what type of investor you are and where your importance lies when making the decision to buy. You have to be comfortable with your decision.

You can also compare the P/E and the expected growth rate of the company The comparison is called the PEG of the stock. If the PEG is below 1.0 there is a possibility that the stock is undervalued. If the PEG is above 2.0 there is a possibility the stock is overvalued. One does have to be very careful using the PEG ratio because it is based on expected growth rates which may or may not be correct.

There very very many ways to calculate the true value of the company...But the underlining word is that YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT FIN. REPORTS CALCULATE


Owkay!That sounds pritty complicated for my beginers knowledge,but let me take a look at all that and try to understand it. Thanx alot mate. Got any more pointers?
ojazy
#33 Posted : Saturday, April 23, 2011 4:16:38 PM
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Location: Mombasa
lovely2010 wrote:
ojazy wrote:
lovely2010 wrote:
N/A A company with no earnings has an undefined P/E ratio. By convention, companies with losses (negative earnings) are usually treated as having an undefined P/E ratio, even though a negative P/E ratio can be mathematically determined.

0–10 Either the stock is undervalued or the company's earnings are thought to be in decline. Alternatively, current earnings may be substantially above historic trends or the company may have profited from selling assets.

10–17 For many companies a P/E ratio in this range may be considered fair value.

17–25 Either the stock is overvalued or the company's earnings have increased since the last earnings figure was published. The stock may also be a growth stock with earnings expected to increase substantially in future.

25+ A company whose shares have a very high P/E may have high expected future growth in earnings or the stock may be the subject of a speculative bubble.


Now thats what im talking about.wow!thats amazing.Thanx lovely,i did'nt know that....where can i get more of such info?


wikipedia


ive been there but maybe i wasnt looking for the right thing.thanx
For Sport
#34 Posted : Saturday, April 23, 2011 4:57:12 PM
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Joined: 12/23/2010
Posts: 1,229
@ ojazy
Also:
http://www.investopedia.com/university/
Click on the tutorials tab......then "beginners". You'll know a bit more.
youcan'tstopusnow
#35 Posted : Saturday, April 23, 2011 8:43:06 PM
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Joined: 3/24/2010
Posts: 6,779
Location: Black Africa
ojazy wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Yipee! Yet another oppurtunity for me to qoute.."This is not a fish market, right?!" LOL!


not yet it aint...im thinkin of starting a fish processing company that will go public in 5yrs..tell me that in 2016

Laughing out loudlyLaughing out loudlyLaughing out loudly Cde, leo umepatikana! The NSE could be a fish market after allLaughing out loudly
GOD BLESS YOUR LIFE
ojazy
#36 Posted : Saturday, April 23, 2011 8:59:56 PM
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For Sport wrote:
@ ojazy
Also:
http://www.investopedia.com/university/
Click on the tutorials tab......then "beginners". You'll know a bit more.


thanx.this one is spot on.it has quite a bit of content.
sparkly
#37 Posted : Saturday, April 23, 2011 9:03:55 PM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
ojazy wrote:
QW25071985 wrote:
ojazy wrote:
sparkly wrote:
ojazy wrote:

...but its all a risky venture isn't it? Whether im in it short term or long term...
My strategy as a begginer would be to buy stocks that have good speculative hype and wait on them to soar in price,sell when i feel it cant rise any more and showing signs of declining...

Thats where the problem lies, you never know which will rise. Often the ones that rise very fast will be due for a correction sooner than later. And the ones that fall are also due for a correction. My strategy is to look for undervalued stocks and wait for a correction upwards.


right...so how exactly do you analyse a stock and conclude that it is undervalued?



The difficulty here is understanding what the TRUE value really is. The P/B ratio is the easiest way to determine a company's value, but like they say "its not magic"
PB ratio= market price/book value
if that ratio is below 1 than it is undervalued. But you have to look at so many other things, like what is going on in this company if it is "cheap". What is the industries standard.

My other favorite areas when looking at a balance sheet for value is Free cash flow, PE ratios and the PB. I like looking at the management team and product growth numbers. I also look at the technical areas to follow where the good entry/exit points are, but before I do that, I have a general idea what the company is worth.

None of this is magic, but I don't think you can say one thing is the way to go in anything. You need to look at all things, understand yourself to determine what type of investor you are and where your importance lies when making the decision to buy. You have to be comfortable with your decision.

You can also compare the P/E and the expected growth rate of the company The comparison is called the PEG of the stock. If the PEG is below 1.0 there is a possibility that the stock is undervalued. If the PEG is above 2.0 there is a possibility the stock is overvalued. One does have to be very careful using the PEG ratio because it is based on expected growth rates which may or may not be correct.

There very very many ways to calculate the true value of the company...But the underlining word is that YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT FIN. REPORTS CALCULATE


Owkay!That sounds pritty complicated for my beginers knowledge,but let me take a look at all that and try to understand it. Thanx alot mate. Got any more pointers?

When looking at financials, look at growth of sales, healthy margins, acceptable debt, free cashflows (esp for companies that need to replace capital assets), stable or increasing dividend payout.
Life is short. Live passionately.
Cde Monomotapa
#38 Posted : Sunday, April 24, 2011 11:28:04 AM
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Joined: 1/13/2011
Posts: 5,964
youcan'tstopusnow wrote:
ojazy wrote:
Cde Monomotapa wrote:
Yipee! Yet another oppurtunity for me to qoute.."This is not a fish market, right?!" LOL!


not yet it aint...im thinkin of starting a fish processing company that will go public in 5yrs..tell me that in 2016

Laughing out loudlyLaughing out loudlyLaughing out loudly Cde, leo umepatikana! The NSE could be a fish market after allLaughing out loudly

Tihihi..i'll be sure to info Hon. Kimunya about this devt.post Safcom IPO Vs. ODoMo. Gotta hand it to you Oj..we've seen a lotta come, seen a lotta go..but U have displayed a great willingness to learn. That will put u @ the top in due time. All the best comrade. P.S: book build me into the private placement b4 listing pap!
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