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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/16/2010 Posts: 906 Location: Nairobi
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Spend.thrift wrote:... Or the nail cutter......
and now we have transmission via nailcutter. People, surely...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,910
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So many hypocrites in wazua!!! How many of us would employ a houseboy with daughters in the house? Many of us wouldn't! Isn't that a form of discimination? Who told you the houseboy would molest your kids? As a parent you think about your kids 110%. Even 5% risk is too high when your kids are involved. Kids change people. Even the way you drive changes when your kids are on board. You don't even have to think about it. It comes naturally. You will never know the feeling until you have a kid of your own. @Kenyalyrics - I have a daughter. I love her to bits. You try to compromise her well being and see how many laws I'll break. When you get your own, I'm sure you'll do the same. But then again there is a huge difference between a dad and a father! Tafakari hayo. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/26/2008 Posts: 365
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BTW I have a friend who works at a VCT clinic and she tells us that most of their clients are house helps who usually tell her that they would not under any circumstance disclose their HIV status to their employers. Most of these househelps work in affluent homes. If you have only one smile in you, give it to the people you love - Maya Angelou
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/25/2007 Posts: 1,574
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KenyanLyrics wrote:you are hiding behind the argument that none of us are parents, when that is not the primary issue here. Regardless of whether you are a parent or not, the facts about HIV transmission are very clear, and have been drummed away so repetitively in the recent past that all Wazuans can recite the transmission methods by heart. However, despite the clear presence of these facts, you have decided to abandon logic and terminate somebody's employment based on a flimsy 'what if' argument.
One of my guiding principles in life is to do unto others as you would like them to do to you. The best way of analysing this situation is to reverse it. If you were the one who was a houseboy on ARVs, would you deem it fair if your employer were to fire you based on your HIV status? @KenyanLyrics: The househelp does not necessary have to infect the child with HIV through sexual intercourse or exchange of body/blood products. A TB infection to a 2 year old is a grave matter. Either the TB infection itself, or the 6 months regimen of anti-TBs might kill the child. A herpes zoster infection will stay with the child for life, and will leave nasty scars to show for it. The househelp prepares the family's food. The parents might be able to fight a diarrhoeal disease, the children will succumb to vomiting and diarrhoea. @otieno: Considering you have no access to her clinical records (they remain strictly confidential), it is up to you as a parent, to decide whether to keep the househelp or not, since you cannot assess her health state yourself. Set out to correct the world's wrongs and you will most certainly wind up adding to them.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/24/2007 Posts: 1,805
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KenyanLyrics wrote:you are hiding behind the argument that none of us are parents, when that is not the primary issue here. Boss, That is the issue here. When you become a parent, your priorories change. The law can go hang!!! literaly. Your kid comes first then all that nonsense of ' the fellings of the HIV househelp/ unties, sister comes in a distant last! I have no regrets on this statement! I will shield my kids at all costs; even Jail term. Ni sawa tu. I Think Therefore I Am
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,910
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bwenyenye wrote:KenyanLyrics wrote:you are hiding behind the argument that none of us are parents, when that is not the primary issue here. Boss, That is the issue here. When you become a parent, your priorories change. The law can go hang!!! literaly. Your kid comes first then all that nonsense of ' the fellings of the HIV househelp/ unties, sister comes in a distant last! I have no regrets on this statement! I will shield my kids at all costs; even Jail term. Ni sawa tu.  Spoken like a true parent. Reminds me of a father somewhere in Ruiru who stood up to AK47 wielding thugs who had tried to rape his daughter infront of the whole family after breaking into their house. He told them they had to literally kill him to get to his daughter! Some fellows here don't know what it means to be a parent! But I don't blame them. I really don't. Some of these things have to be experienced to be understood. And it is not anyone's fault that they haven't experienced them yet. Time will come. Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/12/2008 Posts: 1,178
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Well. Let me just say when it comes to the welfare of my child, the Housegirls/watchman/gardener's needs for shelter, food, water bla bla bla do not even rank second! With kids even imagined eventualities takes a real dimension. straightline thinking!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/16/2010 Posts: 906 Location: Nairobi
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bwenyenye wrote:KenyanLyrics wrote:you are hiding behind the argument that none of us are parents, when that is not the primary issue here. Boss, That is the issue here. When you become a parent, your priorories change. The law can go hang!!! literaly. Your kid comes first then all that nonsense of ' the fellings of the HIV househelp/ unties, sister comes in a distant last! I have no regrets on this statement! I will shield my kids at all costs; even Jail term. Ni sawa tu. But there is no protection needed in this case. The issue here is ignorance If you know your facts about HIV, you will know that the chances of transmission in this scenario are close to zero, so what are you protecting them from? The 0.5% chance? This is where paranoia and stupidity comes into play. Did you also know that there is a small chance of your kid drowning in the toilet? How about you get rid of the toilets in the house? Chances are, you spend so much time worrying about nonsense like HIV transmission via nailcutter, firing the house help for no good reason, yet there are REAL health risks, like obesity, that are probably being ignored.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,910
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KenyanLyrics wrote:bwenyenye wrote:KenyanLyrics wrote:you are hiding behind the argument that none of us are parents, when that is not the primary issue here. Boss, That is the issue here. When you become a parent, your priorories change. The law can go hang!!! literaly. Your kid comes first then all that nonsense of ' the fellings of the HIV househelp/ unties, sister comes in a distant last! I have no regrets on this statement! I will shield my kids at all costs; even Jail term. Ni sawa tu. But there is no protection needed in this case. The issue here is ignorance If you know your facts about HIV, you will know that the chances of transmission in this scenario are close to zero, so what are you protecting them from? The 0.5% chance? This is where paranoia and stupidity comes into play. Did you also know that there is a small chance of your kid drowning in the toilet? How about you get rid of the toilets in the house? Chances are, you spend so much time worrying about nonsense like HIV transmission via nailcutter, firing the house help for no good reason, yet there are REAL health risks, like obesity, that are probably being ignored. @KenyaLyrics - I will not call you names but a few come to mind! How many cases have you heard of house helps doing crazy stuff to get back at the parents for real or imagined issues? Have you been reading what people have been posting? Opportunistic infections and their effects to a toddler? Did you go through the links I posted? Are you arguing to win or are you considering everyone's contribution? Anywho... Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 5/24/2007 Posts: 1,805
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@Kenya lyrics, I pray to the almighty God to bless you with a child. That is all I have for you. When you are there, let us talk. Have happy easter!!! I Think Therefore I Am
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