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jerry
#201 Posted : Saturday, April 16, 2011 5:39:24 PM
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Hunderwear wrote:
[quote=Layman]...Standard newspaper of 15th April page 37 ....Notice of AGM (14/05/2011) and Dividends to all shareholders @ kshs 3.14 per share .... ofcourse subject to approval at AGM[/quote



Is this dividend also applying to the rights issue shares ama ni zile za wazee tu?This cd be good really gud if yes.Nani amechoka na hii mzigo nmsaidieLaughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

>>ALL means just that. Same was in IM during rts issue. Hamna ambaye amewahi choka na pesa.
The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
Kalameni
#202 Posted : Sunday, April 17, 2011 9:30:32 AM
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90m shares less 5m to be allocated then split by 20 equals 1.7b shares.@pkoli whats the probable no shares to be listed , likely bonus issue ratio nd the best ipo price taking into consideration how many jubilee nd panafrica insurance shares are listed.
Hunderwear
#203 Posted : Sunday, April 17, 2011 12:12:50 PM
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And what is the time frame of these actions?I think listing esp should not be done before elections for the sake of shareholders.
jerry
#204 Posted : Sunday, April 17, 2011 12:19:58 PM
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Hunderwear wrote:
And what is the time frame of these actions?I think listing esp should not be done before elections for the sake of shareholders.

>>>Listing should be in two years time (ie in 2013) to allow me! accumulate via OTC.
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Hunderwear
#205 Posted : Sunday, April 17, 2011 1:01:21 PM
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@Jerry you need to take this to the floor of the AGM coz i see this guys list this year ie before the next AGM hence the need to have it ratified ths AGM.Waambiwe hamna haraka afterall they havent used the rights issue money or so i think
jerry
#206 Posted : Sunday, April 17, 2011 1:11:46 PM
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Hunderwear wrote:
@Jerry you need to take this to the floor of the AGM coz i see this guys list this year ie before the next AGM hence the need to have it ratified ths AGM.Waambiwe hamna haraka afterall they havent used the rights issue money or so i think

@HUnderwear, I'll be in the AGM, since it'll be on a Sato. Let's build consensus by 14th but it depends on majority shareholders I think.
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Hunderwear
#207 Posted : Sunday, April 17, 2011 1:44:12 PM
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@Jerry U can count on my vote.Wazua got many of them so if we lobby here we can be sure of A majority at the AGM.Two years wil also mean kicking out all speculators so the share wil be more stable once listed.Anyone who wants out should cashout now coz i foresee alot of illiqidity when the current demand fizzles out.
PKoli
#208 Posted : Sunday, April 17, 2011 2:03:15 PM
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@Kalameni,

5M shares is part of the 60m issued shares. I think the key is what is the free float. Given CIC is keen on maintaining the cooperative movement ownership structure, it is likely a small portion of the shares will easily trade due to the restrictions likely to be impossed to Saccos. so we are likely to so see 40% (or less) of the shares being available for trading.

@jerry and others,

I agree with you on the timing for listing. I think CIC is likely to continue posting stellar growth in the coming years;

1. Increased business due association with Coop bank.
2. Growth of their Asset Management business
3. Cash from the rights issue

So we should have shareholder value realization at the time of listing. I feel management want to start the process early due to long process from CMA, NSE, IRA etc. Look at the demerger story of CFC.
e_kijana
#209 Posted : Sunday, April 17, 2011 5:24:17 PM
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I think @Jerry, @Hunderwear are the speculators. You have only started accumulating that explains it, if you were serious you would have been a shareholder in 2007 when 1st placement was done. BTW I can bet you those share will not be available now. I heard Friday prices of 70/= being quoted... Dont also forget that the Majority is the saccos so not sure if you can stop anything if they are aligned the other assumption is individial shareholders (class B) have a say.
Hunderwear
#210 Posted : Sunday, April 17, 2011 5:57:24 PM
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Truth be told I would not sell mine at above 35 if i were to sell so if am buying not abve 35!The 70 you heard was a make up ya broker.I remember a guy who started at 60 and finally sold me at 32.Dont be an agent of inflation.Furthermore this is an unquoted illiquid stock
bartum
#211 Posted : Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:07:21 PM
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@underwear when did you buy at 32
TUPAC
#212 Posted : Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:15:14 PM
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bartum wrote:
@underwear when did you buy at 32

i also feel 70 is too much. am willing to buy at anything less than 45.
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e_kijana
#213 Posted : Sunday, April 17, 2011 6:15:19 PM
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@Hunderwear. good luck getting this at that price. my guess is you will not add anything significant in the coming days & months if thats the offer. Its supply vs demand and belive me, they get taken at those prices. Your best chance may be buying from a farmer who is not abreast with the information. Happy hunting
erifloss
#214 Posted : Sunday, April 17, 2011 10:06:52 PM
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Price - 50
Listing next year.
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jerry
#215 Posted : Sunday, April 17, 2011 11:30:08 PM
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erifloss wrote:

>>alleged that listing will tripple the value of investment. If this is true, is it worth buying the shares at 50/= today given the lock-up expected for pre-IPO shareholders?
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Layman
#216 Posted : Monday, April 18, 2011 7:53:54 AM
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...me, I like what I am hearing!
Ericsson
#217 Posted : Monday, April 18, 2011 8:51:50 AM
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According to the Memorandum on the Standard newspaper 15 April after the split the total shares of CIC will be 3 billion with the Co-operative society now owning less than 60%.
During the IPO they will most likely issue 600 million shares at a price of between 3 and 4 shillings
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
luxel
#218 Posted : Tuesday, April 26, 2011 9:52:44 AM
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Why is it that some few days to the AGM this company has not bothered to publish their december 2010 financial statements. For a company that is about to list in the NSE shouldnt they be behaving as if they are listed to create confidence.
The website still has 2009 accounts as the latest!
jerry
#219 Posted : Tuesday, April 26, 2011 10:14:54 AM
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luxel wrote:

Why is it that some few days to the AGM this company has not bothered to publish their december 2010 financial statements. For a company that is about to list in the NSE shouldnt they be behaving as if they are listed to create confidence.
The website still has 2009 accounts as the latest!

>>I also wonder why they've a website.
The opposite of courage is not cowardice, it's conformity.
Iborian
#220 Posted : Tuesday, April 26, 2011 11:12:53 AM
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What a bloody shame for a company that is really rocking when it comes to actual performance in its business.

jerry wrote:
luxel wrote:

Why is it that some few days to the AGM this company has not bothered to publish their december 2010 financial statements. For a company that is about to list in the NSE shouldnt they be behaving as if they are listed to create confidence.
The website still has 2009 accounts as the latest!

>>I also wonder why they've a website.

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