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Kenya Re Insurance Undervalued
Mali
#21 Posted : Friday, April 15, 2011 11:42:35 AM
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For Sport
#22 Posted : Friday, April 15, 2011 11:55:16 AM
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the deal wrote:
For Sport wrote:
the deal wrote:
News just reaching me...Kenya Re finally has appointed a new MD

who?

Mr Jadiah Mwarania he is no more acting MD...he has taken over permanantly...they must be satisfied with what he has done.


Are we?
selah
#23 Posted : Friday, April 15, 2011 11:55:39 AM
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the deal wrote:
For Sport wrote:
the deal wrote:
News just reaching me...Kenya Re finally has appointed a new MD

who?

Mr Jadiah Mwarania he is no more acting MD...he has taken over permanantly...they must be satisfied with what he has done.


This is not a good thing at all.The way they refused to extend the contract of the previous MD after performing quite exceptionally begs the question of how competent Kenya-Re's board is.

I think Kenya-Re requires fresh blood that would make it competitive and less reliant on government protection.

Its even worrying that the current MD has not done as much as the previous MD in growing the business although we are yet to see 2010FY report.
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mwanahisa
#24 Posted : Friday, April 15, 2011 12:01:53 PM
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@Selah, I would also have preferred fresh blood, but it is certainly better to have Mwarania as the substantive MD than having him as acting MD endlessly. At least now, he will have the balls to properly execute his duties as CEO.
the deal
#25 Posted : Friday, April 15, 2011 12:22:50 PM
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I think its a bullish signal...he has acted for a year...why appoint him now? ama the Board has nothing to offer? we will pelt them with rotten eggs at the AGM...Lol.
mwanahisa
#26 Posted : Friday, April 15, 2011 12:36:54 PM
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I now believe it is just a matter of time before this "dog" edges up in a significant way. The metrics for the share are just too good to ignore for ever. KQ was also stuck at 32-33 for a while and you can now see guys scrambling for it at 37+.
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#27 Posted : Friday, April 15, 2011 12:57:34 PM
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mwanahisa wrote:
I now believe it is just a matter of time before this "dog" edges up in a significant way. The metrics for the share are just too good to ignore for ever. KQ was also stuck at 32-33 for a while and you can now see guys scrambling for it at 37+.


I beg to differ on KQ.. but won't. like simba..it's on peak now.. 33 remains feasible.
But then.. i could be wrong. smile ..albeit selling bunch got at 34.
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Renegade
#28 Posted : Friday, April 15, 2011 1:07:31 PM
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Hii, ata mimi nitanunua. When CFCIH and CIC list, KNRE as a low priced share will be the comparative. KNRE will have to go up.
mwanahisa
#29 Posted : Friday, April 15, 2011 1:17:37 PM
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Your sentiments on KQ are right. However, my point is that just because a share remains at a certain price range for a while, this does not preclude it from shooting up all of a sudden. A lot of folks wait for the signal that the price is beginning to go up before they are convinced it is a good deal.

ProverB wrote:
mwanahisa wrote:
I now believe it is just a matter of time before this "dog" edges up in a significant way. The metrics for the share are just too good to ignore for ever. KQ was also stuck at 32-33 for a while and you can now see guys scrambling for it at 37+.


I beg to differ on KQ.. but won't. like simba..it's on peak now.. 33 remains feasible.
But then.. i could be wrong. smile ..albeit selling bunch got at 34.

selah
#30 Posted : Friday, April 15, 2011 1:50:53 PM
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mwanahisa wrote:
Your sentiments on KQ are right. However, my point is that just because a share remains at a certain price range for a while, this does not preclude it from shooting up all of a sudden. A lot of folks wait for the signal that the price is beginning to go up before they are convinced it is a good deal.

ProverB wrote:
mwanahisa wrote:
I now believe it is just a matter of time before this "dog" edges up in a significant way. The metrics for the share are just too good to ignore for ever. KQ was also stuck at 32-33 for a while and you can now see guys scrambling for it at 37+.


I beg to differ on KQ.. but won't. like simba..it's on peak now.. 33 remains feasible.
But then.. i could be wrong. smile ..albeit selling bunch got at 34.



KQ remained suppressed for more than 8yrs after listing, it started edging up after announcing a record profit growth of 198% in 2004/2005 FY.

Kenya Re on the other hand has been performing dismally since the listing the management has not shown its willingness to grow its bottom line in tandem with its competitors.

Unless the New MD does something out of the ordinary I dont see the share edging up like KQ did.
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mwanahisa
#31 Posted : Friday, April 15, 2011 4:39:01 PM
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I don't think that KQ's poor share performance prior to late 2004 is an appropriate comparison to the situation faced by KenRe today. For one, the period from 1995 to the year 2002 was generally a lost decade (or as near to one as it can be) for the entire stock market. There were very few bright spots for the whole market in those years. Most companies during those years traded at less than book value and with dividend yields of above 10%. For example , in 2001 Barclays Bank had an EPS of Kshs 16 with a DPS of Kshs 14, yet at 31.12.2001, the price was Kshs 72.50. (I obtained these figures from the NSE HandBook circa 2005). In that sense KQ was not unique.

Of course KQ also suffered from the risk generally associated with airlines. This perception was pretty much confirmed in the minds of many, with the January 2000 crash of its Airbus off the coast of Abidjan (Outtaraland). It was therefore not surprising that, KQ just like today traded at a lower PE than the blue chips.

On the other hand Kenya Re today is almost alone (if we ignore agriculturals) in trading below its Net Book Value. Note that this is a company with no loans - Indeed it had more than Kshs 3 billion in cash or near cash on its books as at 30.06.2010. It has been rated at AA and BB+ by International Rating Agencies for its claims paying ability in Kshs and US$ respectively. This is a better rating than its private sector rival, East Africa Re which just increased its PAT for 2010 by more than 50%.

With the above facts, it is therefore hard to justify a trading price which is just about half its projected 2010 NAV and PE of less than 4.

Indeed I postulate that KNRE does not actually need to do anything extraordinary for the share to at least go up by 20%. This is because investors hardly expect anything out of it. Hence, should the Mgt and B.o.D just be seen to be waking up from their slumber, I would not be surprised by a more than disproportionate rise in the share price.

selah wrote:
KQ remained suppressed for more than 8yrs after listing, it started edging up after announcing a record profit growth of 198% in 2004/2005 FY.

Kenya Re on the other hand has been performing dismally since the listing the management has not shown its willingness to grow its bottom line in tandem with its competitors.

Unless the New MD does something out of the ordinary I dont see the share edging up like KQ did.

PKoli
#32 Posted : Friday, April 15, 2011 10:03:13 PM
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Renegade wrote:
Hii, ata mimi nitanunua. When CFCIH and CIC list, KNRE as a low priced share will be the comparative. KNRE will have to go up.


Yeah, but may take some time, possibly 4 earnings period before we make serious considerations.
Muthawamunene
#33 Posted : Saturday, April 16, 2011 12:13:31 AM
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[quote=the deal] Whats bad about Kenya Re?

1. Heavy Government influence, the Government of Kenya (GOK) owns about 60% of total number of issued shares thus the Company is exposed to the red tape and inefficiencies associated with government owned entities

2. Well run and efficient reinsurers like Swiss Re are fast encroaching on Kenya Re's turf.

3. Kenya Re is yet to appoint its Chief Executive Officer since the former C.E.O's term expired, this is not good for the Company because every Company needs leadership to drive it forward

4. The mandatory Concessions which where recently extended expires in 2015, it remains to be seen if the Company grow its business without this mandatory Concessions.

Kenya Re as an Investment Case.

1. Net Average Value Ksh 15
2. EPS Ksh 2.20
3. Trailing PE Ksh 4.52

4. Kenya Re has a 25% stake in reinsurer PTA Africa
5. As of 31-12-2009 they had Ksh 2 Billion as an investment in quoted shares, considering the NSE closed as as the best performing market( Up 36% in 2010) alone i expect significant upside on that investment and that will reflect on their books.
6. They have been on an expansion off late entering new markets in West Africa
7. They have a top class property portfolio

Entire article here http://contrarianinvesti...nce-is-undervalued.html[/quote]
Thanks man. Will look at. I've never realy had interest in what they do, but now its sparked up my curiosity.
Gordon Gekko
#34 Posted : Saturday, April 16, 2011 7:40:49 AM
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Mwarania confirmed as CEO.
Iborian
#35 Posted : Saturday, April 16, 2011 6:17:42 PM
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@Mwanahisa, I like your analysis. The problem is
not that people do not know that Kenya Re is undervalued.

It is just that they are not convinced that it will ever get to its real value. That said, I will be on the lookout for signs of a breakout.

mwanahisa wrote:
I don't think that KQ's poor share performance prior to late 2004 is an appropriate comparison to the situation faced by KenRe today. For one, the period from 1995 to the year 2002 was generally a lost decade (or as near to one as it can be) for the entire stock market. There were very few bright spots for the whole market in those years. Most companies during those years traded at less than book value and with dividend yields of above 10%. For example , in 2001 Barclays Bank had an EPS of Kshs 16 with a DPS of Kshs 14, yet at 31.12.2001, the price was Kshs 72.50. (I obtained these figures from the NSE HandBook circa 2005). In that sense KQ was not unique.

Of course KQ also suffered from the risk generally associated with airlines. This perception was pretty much confirmed in the minds of many, with the January 2000 crash of its Airbus off the coast of Abidjan (Outtaraland). It was therefore not surprising that, KQ just like today traded at a lower PE than the blue chips.

On the other hand Kenya Re today is almost alone (if we ignore agriculturals) in trading below its Net Book Value. Note that this is a company with no loans - Indeed it had more than Kshs 3 billion in cash or near cash on its books as at 30.06.2010. It has been rated at AA and BB+ by International Rating Agencies for its claims paying ability in Kshs and US$ respectively. This is a better rating than its private sector rival, East Africa Re which just increased its PAT for 2010 by more than 50%.

With the above facts, it is therefore hard to justify a trading price which is just about half its projected 2010 NAV and PE of less than 4.

Indeed I postulate that KNRE does not actually need to do anything extraordinary for the share to at least go up by 20%. This is because investors hardly expect anything out of it. Hence, should the Mgt and B.o.D just be seen to be waking up from their slumber, I would not be surprised by a more than disproportionate rise in the share price.

Cde Monomotapa
#36 Posted : Saturday, April 16, 2011 7:13:44 PM
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Another lost decade? Zimbabwe 1999-2009
Layman
#37 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 11:25:23 AM
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.....this share is headed to Eveready levels, today at 8.60 per share .... am scared. What exactly is wrong in this counter....
guru267
#38 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 11:43:01 AM
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Layman wrote:
.....this share is headed to Eveready levels, today at 8.60 per share .... am scared. What exactly is wrong in this counter....

Substandard management.. Heavy GOK control.. Also warren buffet loves insurance but hates re insurance
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the deal
#39 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 12:09:25 PM
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Its an insurance firm, generally this year will be tough for insurance firms on the NSE.
selah
#40 Posted : Wednesday, June 29, 2011 12:10:30 PM
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It will get a beating from the depreciating shilling as well as the under-performing stock exchange also looses in West Africa and Middle East due to recent uprising.

The installation of a new ERP system might help it in risk management and the sell of some properties i.e the sport complex might mitigate some losses but I think this yr the company will have an uphill task making a profit.



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