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Wazuans, ever thought of becoming angels?
Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/16/2010 Posts: 906 Location: Nairobi
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can't you get your money back through your profit share alone?
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/22/2011 Posts: 322 Location: Chicago, IL, USA
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KenyanLyrics wrote:can't you get your money back through your profit share alone? It's possible If I thought that my partner was bringing a truly equal amount of experience, effort, work, capability, and value, sure. It's all negotiable. I could do an Ertegun/Abramson set up, like Atlantic Records back in the day. For instance, if I partnered with a Nairobi-based promoter that maintained a blog, individual artist websites, handled the local radio stations and made sure songs got played, recruited talent, threw promotional events, typed up press releases, managed artists and repertoire, made sure I got lyric sheets, arrangements, and ensured that artists showed up on time, I'd cover the costs of the album production, mastering, pressing, and distribution while they covered the promotional costs. 50/50 split. But the promoter would really have to beat up the street and have local connections. As an example, all theoretically, if the right partner came along for that type of venture, of course. Same with film. And lets be honest, if someone comes to me and they are THE GUY or THE LADY that has the inside connection that can get the wheels turning on a lucrative contract, and I can't get "in" any other way, what else am I gonna do, but meet them squarely in the middle? Hill
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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KenyanLyrics, I have tried it in 2 different ways;
(1) Created an investment vehicle and channeled funds into a business owned by friends. However the payment terms have not been met even though the guys continue to make money. (2) Invested my own money to help some guys start a business which is doing well. However, I was very surprised when I heard the guy who contributed zilch when the company started implying that I have no stake in the business.
Angel investing is risky and not for the faint hearted!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/16/2010 Posts: 906 Location: Nairobi
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accelriskconsult wrote:KenyanLyrics, I have tried it in 2 different ways;
(1) Created an investment vehicle and channeled funds into a business owned by friends. However the payment terms have not been met even though the guys continue to make money. (2) Invested my own money to help some guys start a business which is doing well. However, I was very surprised when I heard the guy who contributed zilch when the company started implying that I have no stake in the business.
Angel investing is risky and not for the faint hearted! There are obviously those who spoil the name of entrepreneurs by engaging in such criminal activity, but I believe that a good relationship between investor and entrepreneur can lead to drastic growth of a company. Add to that the fact that with angel investing, you only need a couple of big hits to get your return, and you have a reduced risk on that basis
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/10/2010 Posts: 1,001 Location: River Road
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Angel investing in Kenya is hard we are just too dishonest and corrupt, we don't honour contracts other than in breach. most people with good business ideas are not entrepreneurs they don't how to move the idea forward and manage the business. I think most young people just want a quick deal, they make their money and take-off. You are much better off financing a guy who has won a tender than angel investing. It's even better to give out small loans to someone who has already started a business and then you monitor the repayments.
My experience with angel investing was a company i helped a couple friends start. One had the idea the other had worked in the industry. The two could never agree on anything once the money started flowing. Within six months they were doing a turnover of kshs 1m and everything was on upward trajectory until the person with the idea started raiding the bank account even before the accounts were done because he came up with the idea. Long and short they ended in a vicious battle over 0.5m in the account refused to pay workers and the thing was dead in a year. The guy with the idea was left with a paper shell and the industry guy started his own biashara
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/16/2010 Posts: 906 Location: Nairobi
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I agree that the risks are there, but that doesn't mean that you should keep off completely. The favourite industries of wazuans(stocks and real estate) are littered with HUGE risks but that hasn't prevented you guys from throwing most of your savings there. Savvy businessmen know that high risk = high return and the best thing about investing in business is that you only need one huge success to make it big.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/2/2011 Posts: 629 Location: Nai
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KenyanLyrics,
I have worked in the hedge fund and private equity industries and seen how angel investing works. A part from dishonesty, our laws are still very immature. I have also funded someone who used to supplies medical equipment and he never disappointed with the 12% (3 months) he promised. His business has grown phenomenally. The crooked 2 groups are also doing well but not as much as the medical supplier. I believe that his integrity has given his business the edge.
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/22/2011 Posts: 322 Location: Chicago, IL, USA
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The way you build trust in a business community is by strategic partnerships. Most entrepreneurs in the West that receive any serious amount of funding do so by who they know, and who will vouch for them. Such deals are made on a golf course, not from a loan application.
What I would recommend is the formation of strategic partnerships- guilds- where Kenyan entrepreneurs can pool resources and share ideas. Don't be afraid to share. For instance, if you have thirty C# developers reading this board, then, before one dollar, sorry, I mean shilling, is made, they should form a group- a registered company, and elect a board of directors. Then, each person uses all their contacts to get a small tender or even donate a project. Then, each person donates an hour or two a week of programming skill to the effort. The point is to build a company... a black African company... that is experienced, well staffed, respected and that can perform at a global level. Money is not the primary motivator just yet, and at two hours a week, we all can afford it. Guilds can barter with other guilds... The Server Hardware guild can repair servers for the programmers... the programmers can write code for the mobile phone guild... the phone guild can unlock phones for the media artists, who can write music for the web designers...etc. And with a two hour commitment, one can participate even if working or going to school full time, and most of this can be done online. These guilds can even train each other!
By the way, this is PRECISELY the root of how India became such a force in IT. I've been working Fortune 500 since I was a teenager, and I'll tell you: Indians can start a low-level IT job knowing almost nothing, and within 6 months, be able to carry a more senior position. How? Because once all the blacks go home at 5pm, the whites leave at 6pm, and the orientals leave at 7pm, there are the Indians, still in the office. But they aren't working on "work", they are cross-training each other in their respective guilds. Bringing the "new guy" up to speed, or helping someone else finish their days work. Because they know... If one succeeds, ALL succeed. That, and they are firmly connected with their folks in the diaspora. An Indian guy could get a programming job here in the states making $60/hour, keep half, send half home to programmers sitting in India to do ALL the work, while he just collects money. Maybe the guy doesn't even know how to code whatsoever. No matter, he talked his way into it, and his code looks good... of course it does... 10 people are doing it for him back home. He's created ten jobs from his one.
Best,
Hill
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 2/10/2010 Posts: 1,001 Location: River Road
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@jasonhill, I like your thinking.
@kenyanlyrics I have not given up on funding good business ideas. I only want ways of minimizing the risk. I am still waiting for the new companies bill and insolvency laws to go through parliament.
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Rank: New-farer Joined: 5/26/2011 Posts: 23
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I have read all the posts with a lot of zeal and expectation, and yes, it was worth it. The "angels to be have spoken", but where are the beneficiaries? None have spoken.
In the whole conversation, i ask myself where i stand. I am not an angel yet, i haven't met my big break, so i can baptise myself, an angellee. And that puts me in a position to ask myself a second time, am i ready to be an angelee? What is my goal, my path, my business plan? How ready am i as a young person to take up the challenge? We young people keep saying that opportunities are hard to come by, that if only i had the degree, the mentor, the capital and so on.....i can only say.....thanks for challenging me.
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