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Wazuans, ever thought of becoming angels?
KenyanLyrics
#1 Posted : Sunday, April 10, 2011 6:53:51 PM
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One open secret about wazua is that we have very affluent persons on here. However, you guys have a fixation on investing in the largest businesses by way of stocks, which is understandable. However, have you ever thought of investing in early-stage businesses as angel investors? Yes, the risk is higher, but of course the return is higher as well. And you could use the same tactics used in stocks of spreading risk over many emerging industries. There is also the satisfaction of not only creating wealth, but of helping a young citizen further the economy by creating business and employment. What do you guys think of this idea of becoming angel investors?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_investor
erifloss
#2 Posted : Sunday, April 10, 2011 8:35:41 PM
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@kenyanlyrics, a very good and noble idea and actually some of the most successful silicon valley companies came up due to angel investors. The only setback in Kenya is a pool where you can find these guys, you'll realise that in developed economies there are forums where entrepreneurs can relay their ideas. I think the best option in Kenya are business incubators which will greatly reduce the number of start-ups that fail during their first year of business.
'They say money cannot buy me happiness but when i compare when i had none and now, i'm happier' Kevin O'leary
jasonhill
#3 Posted : Sunday, April 10, 2011 10:01:00 PM
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Hello KenyanLyrics,

It's certainly a good idea. In the the US angel investors want 80 to 90% equity. I think the title "angel" can be a bit misleading.

The question for me would be would I want to be an angel investor, giving someone start-up money, with a fairly hands-off approach, or open a venture capital firm where I would court investors, do roadshows, and pool investors money to invest in promising enterprises, and then take the 80 to 90% while installing my own management team, or whether I would just want to be a micro-lender.

For me personally, I'd rather just partner with a business or an entrepreneur, or join a management team at the C-level that I truly believe in, and can work with day-to-day.

If a guy or gal came to me and said, for example "look, I know I can get this tender to install smoke detectors in the new Airtel building, but I just don't have the money to buy the smoke detectors, ladders, wire, tools, and to hire a few people to put them in" then I would look into it, check all the paperwork, come to an understanding- 50/50 no slacking. We're married now. And I'm no walk in the park. And one would have to understand what that really entails. And then I'd do the research, shop around, order the equipment and even manage the installation- we do all this TOGETHER. And we get paid TOGETHER, while enabling the small business to be able to finance the next project from company money. And yes, I'd want my initial loan to the company paid back once it is on its feet while remaining a partner. That's what I'm looking for.

The thing that has to be remembered through any of these options is that capital is tight in EA, from what I can see, so there is no room for scams, mistakes, failure. Those things shall not be tolerated.

Best,

Hill
KenyanLyrics
#4 Posted : Sunday, April 10, 2011 11:44:22 PM
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erifloss wrote:
@kenyanlyrics, a very good and noble idea and actually some of the most successful silicon valley companies came up due to angel investors. The only setback in Kenya is a pool where you can find these guys, you'll realise that in developed economies there are forums where entrepreneurs can relay their ideas.

I believe Wazua has inadvertently set up such a pool. Watu hapa ni wadosi, in case you haven't noticed. And setting up a section for pitching products is just a few clicks away...
erifloss
#5 Posted : Monday, April 11, 2011 8:04:40 AM
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@Jasonhill, agreeing with you on this and actually the business or idea should check out, be able to if financed generate good profits & stable cashflows and most important should be proprietory. Simply the entrepreneur should have done enough research and groundwork.
'They say money cannot buy me happiness but when i compare when i had none and now, i'm happier' Kevin O'leary
KenyanLyrics
#6 Posted : Monday, April 11, 2011 8:51:11 AM
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@Erifloss the process you have described is very similar to stock analysis where you look at the company's fundamentals, sustainability etc. That's why I believe Wazua is an excellent place to get some angels, because it involves basically what you do when buying stocks but on a much smaller scale
KenyanLyrics
#7 Posted : Monday, April 11, 2011 9:04:44 AM
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And @jasonhill when you specify that you want your money paid back within a certain amount of time, you get out of angel territory and into loan shark territory. We already have loan sharks in Kenya, too many of them in fact. Angel investing is about putting your money in, and sinking or swimming with the company, just like stocks. You can pull out if things go haywire, just like stocks, but putting a requirement that your money must be paid back in full regardless is where the line must be drawn
For Sport
#8 Posted : Monday, April 11, 2011 9:34:25 AM
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I think an important question here concerns the level of control desired by both parties.
Some business owners want to take their business to the next level but are short on funds. Getting an angel investor means that you cede some level of control over your business. Which gets tricky if the relationship is not clearly spelt out. Having started and grown your business, you understand its ins and outs. You do not want a situation where your angel is vetoing things left right and center because they’re “protecting there investment”.

If the relationship on the other hand is structured such that the angel is totally uninvolved, it sounds like a loan. More information on how this is usually worked out practically to cater for the interests of both?
KenyanLyrics
#9 Posted : Monday, April 11, 2011 10:45:43 AM
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@For Sport this has always been a tricky issue, especially considering the risk. However, I think there is one simple rule that can be followed to answer your question: If at the point of asking for funds, the business owner has established a profitable model and is merely looking to expand, then I believe it is safe for an investor to leave control in the hands of the business owner. But, if you have a situation where the business owner is looking for seed capital to just start running the business, or if a profitable model has not been found yet as of the time they meet with the investor, then control ought to be ceded to the investor
jasonhill
#10 Posted : Monday, April 11, 2011 10:56:35 AM
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KenyanLyrics wrote:
And @jasonhill when you specify that you want your money paid back within a certain amount of time, you get out of angel territory and into loan shark territory. We already have loan sharks in Kenya, too many of them in fact. Angel investing is about putting your money in, and sinking or swimming with the company, just like stocks. You can pull out if things go haywire, just like stocks, but putting a requirement that your money must be paid back in full regardless is where the line must be drawn


LOL, KenyanLyrics, buddy, I'm not saying that I would charge interest (a vig) on the investment. I'm just saying that I want my end back. Please understand, if I was going to risk putting my time, money, and sweat equity in- which is a risk- then I want my initial investment back. In addition, if I was just going to stand back and offer no time or sweat- just tossed the money over the fence and demanded returns, remember: most angels and VCs want 80 to 90 percent of the equity, and VCs want to install their own management team, at least here in the West. I think THAT is unfair. With me splitting it down the middle 50/50, I think that it's not unreasonable for me to get the cash that I put into the venture first... maybe even use it to buy more than 50% equity. Getting a manager like myself isn't cheap at all, and one gets my operational capabilities and corporate communications work for free.

This isn't like stocks. Investing directly in a small business is much riskier and unregulated. There's no vetted management team, board of directors, access to capital etc. and the risk is all on one or two people, meaning that the stock won't dip, the company will just CRASH (or CRUSH if you like sheng) if things go wrong.

It's just like the record industry... an artist signs, and the money spent on the project is recouped first, because the label put up the money, time, and sweat to make the album, in addition, the label gets about 95%... I only want 50. A loan shark is someone that sets you up in a situation where the (variable) interest rate is so predatory that you can't ever possibly pay off the principal, and where defaults equal broken legs. I think i'm a loan sweetheart, not a loan shark. ;)

Hill
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