My apologies. Let me put it in one sentence

Please let me know/have any available evidence we can refer to on when and how RAO connived with ICC and possibly Koffi to sneak in the names of Ocampo 6 in the envelop that seemed to be so tightly guarded. That's all am interested in.

1. Pls show us where the article it says that "RAO connived with ICC and Koffi to sneak in the names of Ocampo 6 in the envelope".

2. As previously requested, pls bullet out ALL other in factual information in the article in your view.

As indicated, I'll be patient to this and concise in return.

I agree with wendz though unlike her, I have zero feelings for the man who described innocent women and children who were burnt to death as raiders just because they were not from his tribe but wept when he visited his forcibly circumcised tribe mates!

I honestly don't see where Raila comes in all this ICC stuff. Ama ni ile closed door meeting na Moreno?He is naturally happy, I would be too. So is Kalonzo and Karua. The trials clear the way for them!

@JBlazin

You would be surprised how their egos make them show themselves in their true colours. A case inpoint is the bibliography of one very mature ( agewise) Kenyan who has made quite huge sums of money. The guy's house ( more like statehouse) makes a Range Rover look like a mini cooper when parked at his reception. He has very very poor english. But the guy is a good business man. All through his bibliography, you get the feeling that the numbers do not add up. In the open he says he sold charcoal to make his wealth, but when you read, you realise how shrewd he was when dealing with the Asians in the post colonial era. He does not mention a political party he founded and which later crumbled with all the assets.

When you read these things, you know where to place the bloggers. You can tell which is true and which is not.

@keraka, I found it disturbing that the old man could say something like that about the Kiambaa victims. I found it disturbing too that he only saw the situation as grave after visiting the victims of forced circumcision. Though both are unfortunate, he justified kiambaa which was a bigger crime and wept for the Nairobi victims.

So sad.if this was the case.N Ruto while atending a SDA church function in Mailing in Nov 07, talked of ng'oaring all sangakas and throwing them away.Deils reincant!!!!shocking enough some victims are his greatest praise singers.Stupid kenyans and our politicians.

@Wendz
1.
I do not agree with the following statement.

"Sir, if the late Hon Kijana Wamalwa was alive today, he would be telling the six innocent Kenyans you have conspired to take to The Hague that they are treading on a trodden path"

As I have posted elsewhere to "YesuWangu" et al, you will realize the KNHRC Report then Waki Report and it's envelope have led to this handpicking of six names by Ocampo.

To avoid conspiracy allegations following Ocampo's handpicking of suspects from Waki's list:

1. Ocampo should tell us why no one is being held criminally responsible for mass displacement of people from Kisumu and some deaths - yes, it did happen - as well as Kibera. Mungiki didn't get involved in Kibera because it has oil. Rift Valley crimes and Kisumu police shootings were part of this package.

2. All names in the Waki envelope be tabled.

Wendz, do you agree?

Where RAO has been given credit in this issue, he actually doesn't deserve it.

C&P
Dear Kenyans,

I jot down this with lots of mixed feelings. As i read the open letter to PM, my wish was the author could have been pragmatic enough to provide the other side of the so called Ocampo six and in general approach the debate with transparent general view,since that wasn’t the case he/she only penned in my humble view with the objective of the letter as only negative to PM. I do not wish to engage in debate of who ought to take blame for what,when and how queries. I would like to remind kenyans that this issue is very complex and simple as Bible is to all believers of faith regardless of their denominations. Lets not try to believe what we like since it favours who we support or aligned to,lets for once as Google puts it in their “Be No evil” and look at this matter with a degree of high pedigree.

My argument is that the writer has lost credibility by personalizing the hague debate. Mind you,the hague is not about Ocampo,Ondinga the so called Ocampo six etc It’s all about seeking truth, justice and healing of our loved Nation Kenya and all Kenyans especially (Victims of Pev, Accused, Affected and non-actors (our friends(regional & international who believe in Kenya as we do) and importantly feel everyone aggrieved is satisfied with the outcome, that has taken this country to almost meltdown.

Hence,when i see the writer arguing this was Raila/Other scheme to fix the six (even if Raila was not the one mentioned), i would like him/her to answer the following;

1. Who set up the Waki commission and was it credible?

2. Who called on African prominent personalities led by Kofi Annan and who brokered the The Accord and Agendas?Were they Credible?

3. Who,when and what brought about The Hague Issue and Local Tribunal deliberations for three different times in and out of parliament?

4. Who supported the Hague or Local Tribunal Options and what were their arguments then and now,what has changed for them to hold different views?

5. What led to Ocampo six debate become heated after revealing their names ?

6. Why all over sadden there were calls to even to do away with Hague as a country?

7. What made the Country to experience the sort of resentment on Hague issue when in reality the Kenyan nationals support is overwhelming majority amid other suggestions from some political interested groups.

Conclusion;
If we as Kenyans can be real and focus on issues playing out,we can actually see who is taking us for a ride?what happened to Kenyans who really can speak their regardless what their friends,kins,tribe,and even other affiliations are saying/supporting.

Bottom line truth really is a rare commodity,but until we realize “truth is only the way” then i believed we will have done ourselves a great service to our nation by being true to ourselves,then the journey devoid of corruption,personality,tribalism,superiority complexes,petty politics,Crowd thinking,inequality and so on the list is long,you can add what ails you as a true Kenyan.

My only wish is that Kenyans realize that yesterday deeds and way of doing is long gone.Lets embrace unity,peace and love for all irrespective of who,what and where:)live,tribe,believes,gender and most importantly political alignment.

That would be a great dawn to Kenyans when that happens.

Lets unite aganist all these vices and others(you feel ail our country) and let the mantra “Najivunia kuwa mkenya” really strike accord with each and everyone.

Yours,

A true Kenyan.

(Lets not be carried away by personalities(they come and go),so as not to loose the focus of a nation that of vision 2030 or less!

There were many many deaths in Kisumu. From police bullets. Some were even shown live on TV and the "small perpetrator" was cleared of all the charges

@Wendz and others like the one who wrote this letter through McReggae.



Red highlight -- Do you need a lawyer to explain to you that when Raila oppossed defferal, sent letters parallel to government, went against the cabinets policy of pursuing the defferal through various channesl, raila and his sycophants were out in the media, sending letters etc to thwart that effort. What does that mean to you. It means, he wants ruto and others tried in hague. period. Please lets not argue over obvious things.

i would like him/her to answer the following;

1. Who set up the Waki commission and was it credible?

ans. Waki commision was credible. one of the best ever.

2. Who called on African prominent personalities led by Kofi Annan and who brokered the The Accord and Agendas?Were they Credible?

sns. raila insisted he did not accept some but was okay with the kofi team. and that is how things should have been. you are dragging us to unnecessary areas where there is no argument or conflict. you are wasting our time.

3. Who,when and what brought about The Hague Issue and Local Tribunal deliberations for three different times in and out of parliament?

ans. kibaki government wanted the local tribunal, parliament insisted on hague. don't you change your mind at times when you see the consequences of an action that you never expected?

4. Who supported the Hague or Local Tribunal Options and what were their arguments then and now,what has changed for them to hold different views?

ans. there is flip flop reasoning like that of raila and their is changing of how things are done when you realize the former approach is taking you to the dogs. if other mpigs have seen this reality, why is raila and his cartoons not seing the same. its cauze he is hell bent on ensuring the O6 spend time at hague and thwarts any efforts to establish local tribunal cauze among the 6000 suspects, over 1200 are from kibera and your guess is as good as mine on ethnic background of the thugs

5. What led to Ocampo six debate become heated after revealing their names ?

ans. cauze hakuna jaluo hata moja ilitajua. kwanin kales and kyuks were the only ones fighting. waki report is in nation of Dec, khrc report had reuben ndoro, anyang nyongo etc, why were they left out? conspiracy theory comes in this way. but the truth is, obama govern want a stupid president to head this country so that they can manipulate his ass. americans are not some of the best when it ocmes to fair democracy or justice. read douglas okwach's article in the PEOPLE newpaper today and you will understand what i mean. Obama came in with the promise, 'Change we can believe in'. He has not brought any change so far, america still in Iraq, afghan, and guatanamobay prison is still operatioanl. so obama is a thug like the rest.

6. Why all over sadden there were calls to even to do away with Hague as a country?

ans. hague is not a country, it is a city in netherlands. it is called THE HAGUE, because it was designated to be the seat of power for the holder of number on his forehead. if they don't like your leadership, you are summoned there and the rest becomes history. open your eyes school boy.

7. What made the Country to experience the sort of resentment on Hague issue when in reality the Kenyan nationals support is overwhelming majority amid other suggestions from some political interested groups.

ans. The issue is not doing away wiht hague, the issue is using the hague process to force kenya to imprement a credible local tribunal that will net all the 6000 criminals who caused mayhem including top politicians. you think jailing the six will be justice? think brother. rapists and killers on the ground are as bad as uhuru and ruto and raila. local tribunal would also balance distributive justice and reconciliation.


Bottom line truth really is a rare commodity,but until we realize “truth is only the way” then i believed we will have done ourselves a great service to our nation by being true to ourselves,then the journey devoid of corruption,personality,tribalism,superiority complexes,petty politics,Crowd thinking,inequality and so on the list is long,you can add what ails you as a true Kenyan.

ans. I dont claim monopoly of the truth but shallow questions an d arguments do not justify truth. you need to identity the collect truth premises before running yyou mouht full blast.

My only wish is that Kenyans realize that yesterday deeds and way of doing is long gone.Lets embrace unity,peace and love for all irrespective of who,what and where:)live,tribe,believes,gender and most importantly political alignment.

ans. that will only be possible if all leaders liable for the violence that visited this country in 2007-08 are identified, seek forgiveness or be punished accordingly. wishes don't run a country.

That would be a great dawn to Kenyans when that happens.

ans. it wont happen on its own, neither will it happen if we let criminals who maimed our brothers and sisters get away with it. there are guys who refused to pay for houses they have rented even up to today. the great dawn will come if all kenyans were made to respect each other, work for the assests you intend to acquire and avoind searching for power through the back door.

Lets unite aganist all these vices and others(you feel ail our country) and let the mantra “Najivunia kuwa mkenya” really strike accord with each and everyone.

ans. continue dreaming

Yours,

A true Kenyan.

ans. keep it up.

(Lets not be carried away by personalities(they come and go),so as not to loose the focus of a nation that of vision 2030 or less!

ans. who did you vote for the last time? your tribeman or a god?